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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35489] |
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Infinint
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i didnt say larger, i read what SomeRhino quoted from the text where it says, "BTW, You won't need a telescope to see this, it will be roughly the same size as the Moon.. or so i heard (but wouldnt it mean Mars would be even closer?), anyway, it will be a suberp sight to see"
i was trying to support the thought of it being "roughly the same size" and if im wroung im wroung, its just a simple mistake like when you seid that the astiroid belt was in between earth and mars
im probibly wroung but the way i wrote it made it sound really wroung
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dont mind the spacer dots i need them there so the lines stay there
in this digram if you where standing on number 1 bolth 2 and 3 would look the same size, which is what i was thinking about when i wrote that.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35502] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 17:43 |
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| Infinint |
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dont mind the spacer dots i need them there so the lines stay there
in this digram if you where standing on number 1 bolth 2 and 3 would look the same size, which is what i was thinking about when i wrote that.
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No, they wouldn't look the same. It's called perspective, the farther away an object is from you, the smaller it appears to be. An object sitting 100 feet away from you will not appear to be the same size as the same object sitting 50 feet away from you.
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how?
i just made a model of the egsact same thing in rex put a camra on the earth and geuss what, im right
ill have a screny when i get back in 2 hours
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Let me guess, you're using the "User" viewport? Sorry to burst your bubble, but that viewport doesn't apply perspective to the objects in it (That's why objects farther away appear to be the same size as objects that are closer in that viewport), you'll have to use the "Perspective" viewport to see that.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35510] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 18:14 |
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boma57
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| Sir Phoenixx |
Need proof?
Exhibit A:
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plan·et
n.
A nonluminous celestial body larger than an asteroid or comet, illuminated by light from a star, such as the sun, around which it revolves. In the solar system there are nine known planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.
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Pluto has indeed been labelled a planet since it's discovery due to the fact that it does orbit the sun, but scientists have debated the proper naming of it's classification, as there are about a handful of asteroids within the asteroid belt larger than Pluto, and they orbit the sun, yet are not called planets.
Pluto is also smaller than many of the moons in our solar system, our moon - Luna, as well as Io, Europa, Titan, Callisto, Triton and Ganymede.
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and by the way dose any one know where i can get a chart of all the sizes of the planets?
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If you want a scale, visual chart of all the sizes, it's going to be one big ass image. Over a million earth-sized celestial bodies could fit inside the sun, but here's a scale model without the sun, laid out on a floor. The black carpet there is scale to the size of the sun, you can't even see all of it. In this picture you can see the edge.
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An object sitting 100 feet away from you will not appear to be the same size as the same object sitting 50 feet away from you.
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Mars will definitely be nowhere near the perspective size of the moon, but the two bodies are nowhere near the other's size.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35515] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 18:33 |
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boma57
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The diameter of the sun is roughly 10 times that of the diameter of Jupiter. You wouldn't need a "huge ass" image to show the planets and the sun and their sizes.
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I wasn't talking about just the sizes of the planets, there's plenty of those out there, but if you wanted to see the entire size of the sun and still have visible inner planets, it would be a very large image, monstrously so if distances were to scale.
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The diameter of the sun is roughly 10 times that of the diameter of Jupiter. You wouldn't need a "huge ass" image to show the planets and the sun and their sizes.
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Well, using the image you provided, lets make a scale sun with a diameter 10x that of jupiter.
Http://maelstrom.hypermart.net/images/planets.jpg
1482x1242 is a pretty big image in my book, considering some people still use 800x600.
And, well, if we were taking into account distance...If I made Mercury 4 pixels wide, it would be 4500 pixels away from the sun, and that's just Mercury, the planet closest to the sun.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35541] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 20:17 |
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i am laughing my head off at you but no offence but i dont think you under stude that.
number 1 is where your at 2 is a small and 3 is twice as larg but twice as far away. so then number 3 is half the size and seems the same size.
the dimentions for this are the first shere (teal, dosent mater) ) is 30 meters diamiter the second shere (blue) is 10 meters diamiter and is 150 meters from the first shere, the thierd shere (red) is 20 meters in diamiter and is 300 meters from the first shere
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35551] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 21:48 |
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boma57
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That would be a nice model...if it was to scale. Unfortunately, it's not.
Earth is 93 million miles from the sun.
The moon is 240,250 miles from Earth.
Mars is 140 million miles from the sun.
Earth will be 34 million miles from Mars.
Hmm...Since I don't have the GMax file, I measured with a ruler.
Your moon is 3 centimeters away from your earth, and your Mars is 6 and a half centimeters away from your Earth.
Lets look at these scales...
3 : 240,250
6.5 : 34,000,000
Do some proportionate math, and you'd find that if your model was life size, your Mars would only be 520,541 miles from the Earth. You're 33,479,459 miles off.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35595] |
Sat, 02 August 2003 06:11 |
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| Infinint |
i am laughing my head off at you but no offence but i dont think you under stude that.
number 1 is where your at 2 is a small and 3 is twice as larg but twice as far away. so then number 3 is half the size and seems the same size.
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No. I completely understood what you said earlier and was completely right. You never included the sizes of the objects.
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dont mind the spacer dots i need them there so the lines stay there
in this digram if you where standing on number 1 bolth 2 and 3 would look the same size, which is what i was thinking about when i wrote that.
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| Infinint |
geuss now its safe to say i told you so now all i need is the size of earth, the size of mars and the size of the moon and how far it is from earth, just to see how big it will be in the night sky
if you want the file ill be happy to give it to you
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No again. You haven't told me so. The only thing you've should me is that you like changing what you say around to make you look right. You never said that the objects were different sizes.
You're even more wrong with the real thing. According to the distances provided above, Mars is 142 times farther away from Earth than our Moon is and is nearly twice the size of our moon. Mars' size visually would be significantly smaller than our Moon. Without a telescope it will just look like a large star.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35831] |
Sun, 03 August 2003 06:20 |
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| Infinint |
yes i did includ the sizes and spaceing of the objects in the picture
please read though every thing agean before replaying.
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Please actually read my post before replying to it. I never said you didn't include the sizes and spacing of the objects in the picture. I said you didn't include the sizes of the objects in your little example (which is what we were refering to).
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dont mind the spacer dots i need them there so the lines stay there
in this digram if you where standing on number 1 bolth 2 and 3 would look the same size, which is what i was thinking about when i wrote that.
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Did you include sizes in there? No you didn't. You were wrong according to your little example there.
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| Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #36073] |
Sun, 03 August 2003 23:48 |
spotelmo
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it's true, you won't need a telescope to see it. you don't need a telescope now to see mars. but when you look at it with the naked eye, it will look just like a red star. you won't see any detail and it won't look as large as the moon. i'm not sure if that's what you were saying, but it sounded to me like you were saying looking at mars would be like looking at the moon. that's simply not true.
as for pluto, many scientists have been trying to take away it's "planet" status because of it's size and it's irrational orbit. it is classified by many as a kuiper belt object.(basically an asteroid) but, it is still officially called a planet.
as far as i'm concerned, it will always be a planet because if we called it anything else, we would end up with only 8 planets and who wants to have less of something?
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