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Wed, 22 October 2008 19:22  |
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Quackpunk
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In my government class today, I heard that in the UK there is a tax for each television in a household, because the broadcasting is government owned. I find that ridiculous.
I am from the United States, and there is a statistic that the average employed American gives taxes equivalent to 3 months of work every year. The governments job is to protect the rights of citizens, not to get involved in the financial economy. The tax plan from Obama is basically to put a high tax on anyone making over 250k a year. Excessive taxing is ridiculous, let alone robbing high income families and companies of their financial success. Do not get me started on government taxes such as 80 cent tax on cigarettes, and social security. In my eyes the less governing, the better the government 
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| Re: Taxation [message #355463 is a reply to message #355462] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 19:37  |
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Obama's plan is basically to increase taxation for the rich, and decrease for the poor. Which is cool and all, but here's the thing.
Most rich people own businesses. What happens when a business (Which, by the way, normally have employees) has less money? This means less benefits for the employees. Shittier insurance, shittier payrolls, and so on are some examples of things they'd need to do to keep their business afloat. What's this mean?
Well gee, what are most employees? Oh, that's right. Lower to middle class.
Let's not forget, some businesses simply won't stay afloat. They'll collapse. Which means less employees. Which means people getting no money whatsoever.
OBAMA '08: HELPING THE MIDDLE AND LOW CLASS, BY FUCKING THE MIDDLE AND LOW CLASS RIGHT IN THE ASS.
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| Re: Taxation [message #355471 is a reply to message #355462] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 21:51 |
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what our black asses need is a consumption tax rather than income
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| Re: Taxation [message #355477 is a reply to message #355471] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 22:03 |
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| Rocko wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 23:51 |
what our black asses need is a consumption tax rather than income
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Is that supposed to be sexual?
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| Re: Taxation [message #355538 is a reply to message #355462] |
Thu, 23 October 2008 11:53 |
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Yeah, isn't there some deal about income taxation being against the constitution? I'm not all sure really.
Also, I sort of agree with Rocko. People should be charged only for what they buy and use, not for what they get/are paid.
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| Re: Taxation [message #355551 is a reply to message #355462] |
Thu, 23 October 2008 15:15 |
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| Quackpunk wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 03:22 |
In my government class today, I heard that in the UK there is a tax for each television in a household, because the broadcasting is government owned. I find that ridiculous.
I am from the United States, and there is a statistic that the average employed American gives taxes equivalent to 3 months of work every year. The governments job is to protect the rights of citizens, not to get involved in the financial economy. The tax plan from Obama is basically to put a high tax on anyone making over 250k a year. Excessive taxing is ridiculous, let alone robbing high income families and companies of their financial success. Do not get me started on government taxes such as 80 cent tax on cigarettes, and social security. In my eyes the less governing, the better the government
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The TV Liscence fee is paid once per year per household (which can have as many TVs as it wants then) and this fee covers everything the BBC does; TV, radio and the website, on which you can listen to radio and watch TV shows (that have aired within the past 7 days and are BBC own) for free*. Not to mention, that the channels can have good programs on (depends on taste really) which are uninterrupted by annoying adverts.
* When i say for free, i obviously mean covered by the liscence fee.
edit: According to wikipedia:
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The principal means of funding the BBC is through the television licence, costing £139.50 a year (as of May 2008) for a colour television.
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Which puts it in the region of £12-£14 per month...very cheap for what you get.
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| Re: Taxation [message #355586 is a reply to message #355463] |
Thu, 23 October 2008 20:25 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 21:37 |
Obama's plan is basically to increase taxation for the rich, and decrease for the poor. Which is cool and all, but here's the thing.
Most rich people own businesses. What happens when a business (Which, by the way, normally have employees) has less money? This means less benefits for the employees. Shittier insurance, shittier payrolls, and so on are some examples of things they'd need to do to keep their business afloat. What's this mean?
Well gee, what are most employees? Oh, that's right. Lower to middle class.
Let's not forget, some businesses simply won't stay afloat. They'll collapse. Which means less employees. Which means people getting no money whatsoever.
OBAMA '08: HELPING THE MIDDLE AND LOW CLASS, BY FUCKING THE MIDDLE AND LOW CLASS RIGHT IN THE ASS.
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Drat, you discovered the flaw in Obama's tax plan! Thank heavens!
Actually, this has already been addressed. Obama's plan is to give a TAX CREDIT to businesses that provide health insurance benefits to their employees. So that gives them a considerable monetary incentive to maintain decent health care coverage despite the insufferable tax increase.
...Except that the tax increase isn't so "insufferable." The tax increase for businesses immediately around the $250,000/year range is approximately 3%; the same tax rates they paid under Reagan! So hey, we're back to the old-school "trickle down" territory, if that's what everyone here seems to get off on.
Also, I realize that everyone fucking hates taxes. So do I. But we have a monstrous deficit that we need to address in some way. It's gotten so bad that simply cutting government programs alone, which McCain proposes, isn't going to do it. I don't know if Obama will adequately address the national debt problem, but he seems like the better alternative to me. McCain's not going to be able to cut pork-barrel spending with a Democratic congress, anyway.
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Thu, 23 October 2008 20:30 |
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I just want the government to fuck off. I don't want incentives given to corporations or to individuals. I don't want tax hikes. I don't want to pay for useless social programs. I don't want to pay for national security that's absolutely worthless.
Also, Obama's plan is to increase government spending by $292 billion, and McCain isn't going to cut spending, he's going to increase spending by about $90 billion.
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| Re: Taxation [message #355588 is a reply to message #355462] |
Thu, 23 October 2008 20:32 |
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It'd probably be more prudent to go after the companies that don't even pay taxes to the government, while still operating in the country.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOn/idUSN1249465620080812?sp=true
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The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
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More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
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The study showed about 28 percent of large foreign corporations, those with more than $250 million in assets, doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $372 billion in gross receipts, the senators said. About 25 percent of the largest U.S. companies paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $1.1 trillion in gross sales that year, they said.
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| Re: Taxation [message #355614 is a reply to message #355462] |
Fri, 24 October 2008 03:37 |
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Yeah, the way I see it McCain isn't going to be able to do much. It'll just be him vs congress all four years, nothing is going to be done. Unfortunately, that's a very good reason that Obama will probably win. They'll cooperate, mostly.
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| Re: Taxation [message #356815 is a reply to message #355587] |
Sun, 02 November 2008 02:19 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 22:30 |
I just want the government to fuck off. I don't want incentives given to corporations or to individuals. I don't want tax hikes. I don't want to pay for useless social programs. I don't want to pay for national security that's absolutely worthless.
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You could always life in tax-free countries.
And those social problems. Think of it that way, now you don't need it, but if you need it, then you're glad its there.
Oh and the german Tax Freedom Day was this year at 08.07.08 so up o dis date we worked for the government. (Yes we can get pretty much things back)
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| Re: Taxation [message #356839 is a reply to message #355462] |
Sun, 02 November 2008 06:54 |
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Income taxes are illegal because the 16th Amendment was never legally ratified, and thus making it only legal for there to be indirect and direct taxes. Yes, income tax is a direct tax, but it is U.S. Constitutional law that all direct taxes be apportioned... taxed at the same rate. The income tax does not do this. It's a graduated tax, thus it's illegal.
As for the illegal legislation... all revenue based legislation must be equally divided amongst the people. Obviously, welfare programs and the like are, once again, illegal because of such uneven distribution. America was never intended to be a welfare state, and there are safeguards in the Constitution to prevent it from becoming one... not that it has stopped the government at all.
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| Re: Taxation [message #357137 is a reply to message #355462] |
Tue, 04 November 2008 07:20 |
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Privatize welfare. Organizations are a fuckload better at it than the government is. Plus, I never said take away education. In fact, I want to better education by making schools compete for students.
Again, shall I point out that America is a REPUBLIC which means we're ruled by law. Thus, we have to ADHERE to the law, especially our government needs to. It doesn't like to, as we can see. My voting against welfare programs is also a vote to make our government follow the written law that states revenue based legislation must be distributed uniformly... welfare doesn't exactly do that.
Oh, and refusing to give people money is hardly preventing them from having the same opportunities. Parents don't pay for their kids' educations. Well, my parents did, but that's because I went to a private school, so not only did they pay taxes for other kids to go to school, they paid $3000-4000/yr EACH for my brother and me to have private education.
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| Re: Taxation [message #358077 is a reply to message #355462] |
Tue, 11 November 2008 11:02 |
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| Quackpunk wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 21:22 |
In my government class today, I heard that in the UK there is a tax for each television in a household, because the broadcasting is government owned. I find that ridiculous.
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this is broadly true but the statement the broadcasting is government owned is slightly misleading.
insert_name_here's post is misleading too, because it doesn't point out that if you want to use a TV for something but haven't the slightest interest in anything the BBC puts out, you still have to pay the licence fee. other channels like Channel 4 are funded by advertising (which is as it should be) but if the only channel you want to watch is Channel 4, you still have to pay the licence fee... so both you and channel 4 are basically getting screwed.
thankfully the money's being wisely spent on seven-figure salaries. for what is effectively a government job...
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