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| Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 |
No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I'll blast a bubble in ur face
DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want.
IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection.
I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353656 is a reply to message #353646] |
Wed, 08 October 2008 02:17 |
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| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 |
| Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 |
No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I'll blast a bubble in ur face
DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want.
IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection.
I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
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Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353683 is a reply to message #353656] |
Wed, 08 October 2008 07:36 |
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| Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 |
| Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 |
No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I'll blast a bubble in ur face
DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want.
IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection.
I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
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Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it.
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Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353700 is a reply to message #353683] |
Wed, 08 October 2008 09:19 |
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Herr Surth
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| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 09:36 |
| Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 |
| Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 |
No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I'll blast a bubble in ur face
DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want.
IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection.
I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
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Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it.
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Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal.
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Look, its not about the fact that the cars dealer is an idiot whose product has flaws. its about the way you react. Instead of not buying a car from him, you decide to steal his product.
Besides, are you seriously gonna reinstall the game every 3 days like you refuel your car?
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353706 is a reply to message #353700] |
Wed, 08 October 2008 10:19 |
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| Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 12:19 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 09:36 |
| Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 |
| Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 |
No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I'll blast a bubble in ur face
DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want.
IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection.
I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
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Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it.
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Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal.
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Look, its not about the fact that the cars dealer is an idiot whose product has flaws. its about the way you react. Instead of not buying a car from him, you decide to steal his product.
Besides, are you seriously gonna reinstall the game every 3 days like you refuel your car?
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Well, you made the same kind of analogy with the stealing of the car. You don't take it away from him, you simply make a copy of it therefor they keep there's, and you have one just like it :/ .
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353708 is a reply to message #352859] |
Wed, 08 October 2008 10:25 |
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I know the DRM is moronic, but why do people assume that pirating the game even more will somehow make any game publisher change their position? It's a vicious circle, and the only way to stop it is to stop pirating the software AND stop buying the games.
Renegade:
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
The only game where everyone competes to be an e-janitor.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353886 is a reply to message #353885] |
Thu, 09 October 2008 14:07 |
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How about you buy the game, pirate the ISO, and use your legit serial?
Because in the end you won't seem like a fucking moron, right?
While I may disagree with DRM and because I'm not a consumer whore, doesn't mean I can't think logically.
EA need to keep a business running so obviously they're going to try and protect their product, even if their attempts are weak, however, why should you steal their product?
If you like the game, buy it, get the serial, download the cracked version with no DRM and use your legit serial and happy fun times, if you don't like the game or EA yet still pirate it, you are a fucking moron because you are still supporting EA one way or another.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353894 is a reply to message #353700] |
Thu, 09 October 2008 16:13 |
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| Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 18:19 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 09:36 |
| Surth wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 11:17 |
| TD wrote on Wed, 08 October 2008 00:38 |
| Surth wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 20:29 |
No? games being pirated was caused by people not wanting to buy them legally. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I'll blast a bubble in ur face
DRM sucks, people buying the game will have a harder time playing it than people downloading and cracking it. It's basically like 'Hey, we can't stop all the people who download it, so let's just make it harder for the people who actually buy it legally to pirate the game!' And they achieve this by not allowing these people to install it more than 5 times, whereas people who download it can install it as many times as they want.
IMO, the game should be protected by its own serial like RA2, allowing only one game to be connected with one valid serial for online gameplay. EA is basically focusing on protecting the WHOLE game (including single player), which requires this stupid DRM protection.
I vote, all download RA3 until EA decides to remove the DRM fully.
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Hey there mister Carmanufacturer, your Car is flawed. thus, I grant myself the right to steal it.
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Allow me to fuel my legally bought car more than 5 times and we have a deal.
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Look, its not about the fact that the cars dealer is an idiot whose product has flaws. its about the way you react. Instead of not buying a car from him, you decide to steal his product.
Besides, are you seriously gonna reinstall the game every 3 days like you refuel your car?
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Basically we are all treated as potential car thieves, so they put this fuel limit on their cars. That's why I am just gonna duplicate his car, fix the flaws and use that one until they decide to fix the original car's flaws. I am not stealing the original car. A consumer shouldn't be treated as a potential thief.
Stupid comparation you say? You started it. It's really not easy to compare software with stuff like that.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353899 is a reply to message #353886] |
Thu, 09 October 2008 16:40 |
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| Ryu wrote on Thu, 09 October 2008 16:07 |
How about you buy the game, pirate the ISO, and use your legit serial?
Because in the end you won't seem like a fucking moron, right?
While I may disagree with DRM and because I'm not a consumer whore, doesn't mean I can't think logically.
EA need to keep a business running so obviously they're going to try and protect their product, even if their attempts are weak, however, why should you steal their product?
If you like the game, buy it, get the serial, download the cracked version with no DRM and use your legit serial and happy fun times, if you don't like the game or EA yet still pirate it, you are a fucking moron because you are still supporting EA one way or another.
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That's what I do with C&C 3 actually. Instead of taking forever to start up with all that DRM shit in place, it loads much much faster. 
But seriously, EA is just asking to lose customers with this move.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353966 is a reply to message #352859] |
Fri, 10 October 2008 09:59 |
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Here's what I don't get :
RA was a limited universe and a win or lose event for the soviet union. Why is EA trying to squeeze this very limited interim connective universe for C&C 95 into a multi-universe wierdo plot?
Why not move on to another universe or better yet make campaign based plot based on missions and events from the first game? There's a whole lot more story to be told there.
Instead we're getting these weird one offs with ridiculous tech and characters...
Instead of releasing RA2 as a standalone they should have released it as an expension of the initial universe, and then adressed the period between the allies' win and the founding of the GDI. THAT's where a story and the potential lies without corrupting the games that came before.
Instead we get: "Oh just pretend that never happened." and as a result many fans are confused and disregard the plot which in turn erodes the replayability and fan followups.
I don't want a multiplayer RTS. I want a dynamic SP game with replayability and won't deliver the same experience twice yet still has a central hook that brings me back to the table.
That is where the power of the first four releases of c&c came from and what everything from generals on has lacked.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353973 is a reply to message #353966] |
Fri, 10 October 2008 11:52 |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Fri, 10 October 2008 12:59 |
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Precisely. It's becuase of EA's recent obsession with making the perfect ultra competitive RTS to make them more money with contests and such. That's why C&C 3 sucked so much monkey cock, it was designed for people who spent their entire day playing strategy games and boast about their mad skillz, and didn't give a flying fuck about the continuity of the C&C universe. Hence, the Scorpion spam problem.
Honestly EA could just make a game with units like "Tank" and "Jeep" and "Artillery" and other obscenely bland things, and people would buy it by the droves. C&C 3 should not have been made the way it was. C&C is an amazing, story centered universe and Generals basically begun raping it and extorting it for more and more money when EA couldn't get any good ideas of their own.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #353976 is a reply to message #353966] |
Fri, 10 October 2008 12:39 |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Fri, 10 October 2008 12:59 |
Here's what I don't get :
RA was a limited universe and a win or lose event for the soviet union. Why is EA trying to squeeze this very limited interim connective universe for C&C 95 into a multi-universe wierdo plot?
Why not move on to another universe or better yet make campaign based plot based on missions and events from the first game? There's a whole lot more story to be told there.
Instead we're getting these weird one offs with ridiculous tech and characters...
Instead of releasing RA2 as a standalone they should have released it as an expension of the initial universe, and then adressed the period between the allies' win and the founding of the GDI. THAT's where a story and the potential lies without corrupting the games that came before.
Instead we get: "Oh just pretend that never happened." and as a result many fans are confused and disregard the plot which in turn erodes the replayability and fan followups.
I don't want a multiplayer RTS. I want a dynamic SP game with replayability and won't deliver the same experience twice yet still has a central hook that brings me back to the table.
That is where the power of the first four releases of c&c came from and what everything from generals on has lacked.
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RA2 is a sequal to RA1, which can be drawn to by watching the installation movie (connecting RA1 & RA2). RA3 uses time to RE-WRITE RA2, so according to RA3, RA2 never happened, neither did Yuri's Revenge.
Now, the reason why EA wont connect the Red Alert universe with the Tiberium universe is due to simple misinterpreted care for the series. EA took over Westwood's operations in the C&C franchise. However, after the reception of Generals, EA realized that the C&C community isn't a group they can just bait a game to as long as it has the C&C label on it. That is why they tried to use what Westwood did and gain trust of the C&C community.
However, while using the stuff Westwood provided for them, they also added in their own things to see what they could make. Basically experimenting the dos and do nots of making a C&C game.
In EA's eyes, connecting Red Alert and Tiberium does two things:
1. They think it will make the fans be all "WTF?!" and get really pissed off at them because they are just butchering the series.
2. They believe that the C&C community is vast and wide, with people supporting Tiberium, Red Alert, or both. Therefore, from a business standpoint, they would logically profit more by not combining the universes. Why should they make money off just the Tiberium universe when they can make money off of both the Red Alert & Tiberium universe? (Not to mention any other universe that they make in the future).
However, if I could give EA a valid suggestion, I would suggest using the Soviet victory as canon for the Tiberium universe, while leaving the Allied victory as canon for RA2 (and now RA3) That way they can combine RA and Tiberium (and thus have room to make a new game (namely Renegade 2)) while still making money off of Red Alert by using the Allied victory in RA1.
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| Re: Red Alert 3 buying survey [message #354275 is a reply to message #352859] |
Mon, 13 October 2008 08:01 |
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I've done a Pre-order on EA.
why!!
i have every C&C Game in its original case.
An illegal copy doesnt look ok between all the original ones.
i believe if you are a dedicated C&C Fan you cant f@$*#ck around with illegal stuff, thats almost the same as riding a Rolls Royce with a big sign ''RENTAL'' on it.
http://www.wittebolx.com
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