| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353003 is a reply to message #352996] |
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I've lost count of the number of times I've pointed out the fact that if someone wants a laddered game under pointsbug settings, they are entirely welcome to make their own ladder and run it however they like. Nothing and nobody is stopping them.
What does it say about someone who, given that ^ option, would rather 'hack' their way into the TT ladder in contravention of what the ladder admins want?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353034 is a reply to message #346858] |
Fri, 03 October 2008 11:22 |
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You mean like, what counts ingame doesn't count for the ladder?
So for example, even a server with points un-fix, and someone has a shitton of points ingame from pointwhoring, the points that go to the ladder would be applied with post-fix logic?
Not a bad idea if doable.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353037 is a reply to message #353034] |
Fri, 03 October 2008 11:25 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 13:22 |
You mean like, what counts ingame doesn't count for the ladder?
So for example, even a server with points un-fix, and someone has a shitton of points ingame from pointwhoring, the points that go to the ladder would be applied with post-fix logic?
Not a bad idea if doable.
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uh yeah good idea, so when the wrong team wins thanks to the pointsbug, the right team gets the ladder even though nobody in-game even knows.
!facepalm
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353038 is a reply to message #346858] |
Fri, 03 October 2008 11:25 |
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Only for servers running the points unfix. A bit of a price to pay I guess, but it's either that, or points unfix servers not being on ladders atall.
Edit: @ Spoony's post: True. Nevermind that idea, then.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353363 is a reply to message #353038] |
Sun, 05 October 2008 14:08 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 20:25 |
Only for servers running the points unfix. A bit of a price to pay I guess, but it's either that, or points unfix servers not being on ladders atall.
Edit: @ Spoony's post: True. Nevermind that idea, then.
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If the server wants to have an "unfix" then the server should accept that he can't have all features the fix brings, like a working ladder.
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Someone needs to regulate the servers that are listed on the servers, else I could just create a server that would give everyone +999999 ladder each game. I *might* be wrong, but I expect you to have at least enough intelligence and knowledge of the game to understand that is not the way it is supposed to be, right?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353414 is a reply to message #353378] |
Mon, 06 October 2008 00:41 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:40 |
They are not being forced to do anything they don't want to do. If they don't want to use the points fix, then they have to accept they can't be apart of the ladder.
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They are trying to force the whole patch on us.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:40 |
If you allow them to be apart of the ladder, thats when you start forcing things on people that don't want it, such as people who want a pure points ladder are now forced to accept that all servers give off different points.
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I'm not asking to give servers an unfair advantage on the ladder.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:40 |
I don't see the logic in that argument.. the ladder is BASED on the distribution of points! Keeping points out of the ladder is like keeping the tires off a car.
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That's not my argument, it's to keep points and credits the same but use a separate system to find ladder points.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:40 |
No it isn't, it's more like a deli owner saying "Don't like our sandwiches? Go make your own!"
It is very easy to create a small ladder of your own. All it takes is a pen, some paper, a calculator and results.
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A global ladder is more desirable than a local one.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353420 is a reply to message #353375] |
Mon, 06 October 2008 02:41 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:48 |
I'm not standing up for the anti-pointfix because I want to abuse stupid tactics, it's because the scripts.dll project has turned into something you're going to use to dictate how all the servers are going to run. Don't say that servers should use their own ladder. That's like a car manufacturer saying: "Don't like our cars? Go make your own."
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The car manufacturer analoy is rather accurate. Will you tell the car manufacturer, "hey, I don't like how you don't want to install A into my car but you do want to install B into my car. You are forcing me to use B now but I really prefer A!
No, that's not how it works. You can ask why and you can ask whether they can make an exception if you have a good reason, but you can't demand them to do what you want. What's worse is starting by, "ok, if you supply B to me then I'll install the part myself". (Give me the points unfix, I don't really care about the ladder). Then the manufacturer sells you the part and you claim "hey, that's unfair, why don't you install it?!". That's really what's happening here.
The ladder is a separate project from TT. Even without TT it will should be impossible to participate for servers not running clean Renegade or reasonably close to it. (ie. normal/AOW: yes. coop, no).
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353428 is a reply to message #353420] |
Mon, 06 October 2008 04:57 |
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The funny thing I see with this pointsfix controversy is that if TT stealthily sneaked it in (which isn't recommended of course), I doubt many people would notice...
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353446 is a reply to message #353375] |
Mon, 06 October 2008 08:33 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:48 |
You're forcing stuff on people that don't want it, even dictating how servers are going to be run and for what?
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you've lost me there...
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:48 |
Don't say that servers should use their own ladder. That's like a car manufacturer saying: "Don't like our cars? Go make your own."
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And what exactly would be wrong with a car manufacturor saying that?
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:48 |
I'm not asking to give servers an unfair advantage on the ladder.
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No, you're asking for our ladder to lose a considerable amount of its value by allowing unbalanced, unfair and downright ridiculous points systems to have as much worth on it as a far superior points system.
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 00:48 |
A global ladder is more desirable than a local one.
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It is global if the server owner wants it to be, subject to a few perfectly reasonable conditions.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353532 is a reply to message #346858] |
Mon, 06 October 2008 20:44 |
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Yes, this is exactly like a car manufacturer allowing you to add aftermarket parts to your car but not honoring the warranty if you fuck it up.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #353638 is a reply to message #346858] |
Tue, 07 October 2008 19:01 |
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who cares if you're not on TT's ladder? if i want to play a game of unchecked renegade then i will, and i couldn't care less that TT won't score that game on their ladder
what do you hope to gain by arguing about it now?
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