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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352457 is a reply to message #352397] |
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| Baker wrote on Sun, 28 September 2008 10:33 |
When has someone said that? I've never read someone on these forums flatout deny that it's a bug.
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| s0meSkunk wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 17:02 |
But you can't prove that Westwood didn't just make it that way on purpose, for whatever reason.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352461 is a reply to message #346858] |
Sun, 28 September 2008 23:27 |
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You cannot prove God doesn't exist so he exists. You cannot prove God does exist, so he doesn't exist. Way to argument!
There's no (more) way to verify it, so we'll just use this element to block any discussion?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352658 is a reply to message #352650] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 17:31 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Tue, 30 September 2008 18:59 |
what i don't get is why some people decided it would be a great idea to change it even though most people have no problem with it, thus the "why fix something that is not broken" comments from numerous people
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Well, maybe because it is broken.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352679 is a reply to message #352673] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 19:41 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 30 September 2008 21:17 |
Because they can't remove what they don't know exists?
Do you think companies purposely make bugs and hide them in the game play for the players to find?! It was only recently that people started to notice that this problem existed... and Westwood died, what, 8 years ago?
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no, ..you obviously don't understand, renegade was around for like a year before westwood died, they updated it all the time...i don't think it would take them over a year to realize that shooting stuff gives you more points than you should get and fix it in one of their monthly patches..
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352686 is a reply to message #352679] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 20:48 |
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... well it did.... or else it would have been fixed... or acknowledged at least. I mean even when they contacted an old WW employee and asked if it was a bug, he said that it looked like a bug. Why would he say it "looks" like a bug if they knew it existed in the first place? If they knew it existed, he would of said "yes it is a bug" or "no it is not a bug."
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352711 is a reply to message #352659] |
Tue, 30 September 2008 23:58 |
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| NSStRyKeR wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 02:33 |
westwood released monthly patches, if this was such an easy glitch, how come they never removed it?
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Maybe you should ask them and not us?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352822 is a reply to message #352795] |
Wed, 01 October 2008 16:52 |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 17:01 |
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Points fix or not, a team of Ramjets will never win against a team of tanks.
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no, an entire team of ramjets is doomed, but a couple of ramjets getting points for NO REASON while the rest of the team actually does something useful = perfectly capable of winning the game... FOR NO REASON
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Actually, not even. The tanks don't have to be doing anything useful. They can just sit inside the base the entire game and only help when the base gets rushed. The rest of the time, ramjets can just nab points. That is enough for them to win the game.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352901 is a reply to message #346858] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 05:21 |
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The following charts prove with 99.9999% certainty that the points bug is most definitely a bug. This is at least the third time I have posted this.
The following chart details "Damage points" (point gain per 1 damage dealt), "Death points" (bonus for causing the final death), "Total death points" (points gained for causing damage from start to finish):
Object name Damage points Death points Total death points
CnC_GDI_Mammoth_Tank 0.06 75 147
CnC_Nod_Harvester 0.04 50 98
CnC_GDI_Harvester 0.04 50 98
CnC_Nod_Apache 0.15 45 90
CnC_GDI_Orca 0.15 45 90
CnC_Nod_Stealth_Tank 0.11 45 89
CnC_GDI_Medium_Tank 0.05 40 80
CnC_Nod_Flame_Tank 0.05 40 80
CnC_Nod_Transport 0.09 35 71
CnC_GDI_Transport 0.09 35 71
CnC_Nod_Light_Tank 0.05 30 60
CnC_Nod_APC 0.04 25 49
CnC_GDI_APC 0.04 25 49
CnC_GDI_MRLS 0.06 23 46.5
CnC_Nod_Mobile_Artillery 0.06 23 46.5
CnC_GDI_Humm-vee 0.06 18 35.5
CnC_Nod_Buggy 0.06 15 30
Spoony has also discovered that if you look at the "Total Death Points" for vehicles and round them to the nearest multiple of 5, then compare them to the cost of the vehicle, you get this:
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syntax: vehicle/total points/cost
Mammoth Tank: 150/1500
Harvester: 100/not applicable
Apache/Orca: 90/900
Stealth Tank: 90/900
Medium Tank: 80/800
Flame Tank: 80/800
Chinook: 70/700
Light Tank: 60/600
APC: 50/500
MRLS: 45/450
Artillery: 45/450
Hummvee: 35/350
Buggy: 30/300
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Many people are already aware that for infantry, the total points gained for start-to-finish death is 10% of the cost of the unit. (exception: free infantry = 3 points) This also proves that the previous point calculation was definitely a bug.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352936 is a reply to message #346858] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 13:48 |
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They care because servers that want to be in the new ranking ladder, but don't want the points fix, have to suffer 1 of two ways (either being omitted from the ladder or forced to run the points fix). That's why people are getting all pissy over it.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352942 is a reply to message #352941] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 15:21 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 00:16 |
Just run a 3rd party unfix.dll and it would be on the ladder tbh.
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Perhaps, if people would start doing that, we would need to secure TT against such things, which perhaps would directly make it impossible to run any mod besides TT?
So instead of doing all "pro" and starting about hacking it, don't try to spoil it.
Oh, and I dare to put money on servers with such hack would get banned of the ladder completely rather quickly.
In short I think you can say that it will eventually not help anyone if you made a hack to and enable ladder and enable the point unfix.
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You know what, shall I already give 0x90 a early test version, so he can make his hack compatible with TT aswel? I mean, it's not like it's doing much harm, just changes gameplay a little. Just like you like to change the gameplay regarding the ladder a little.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352943 is a reply to message #346858] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 15:24 |
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A hack like that is comparable to cheating imo.
The no poinst fix people already stated that they couldn't care less in their previous arguments, it was part of the compromise to allow a pointsunfix. You're now trying to say the compromise is where TT stands and that you want another compromise between the current one and your opinion, which is nonsense and not going to happen.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352993 is a reply to message #352983] |
Fri, 03 October 2008 05:35 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 09:32 |
I never said I would be creating one, like I said, I don't care enough about it.
but because of the simplicity, I'm sure someone will do it.
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Well, I wasn't saying that you would, al I was saying that if you would, it would have a lot of undesirable consequences.
Like banning servers off the ladder and if loads of servers would be using it perhaps make it impossible to edit the server. That's something noone wants, right?
So better not do it then.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #352996 is a reply to message #352993] |
Fri, 03 October 2008 06:21 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 13:35 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 09:32 |
I never said I would be creating one, like I said, I don't care enough about it.
but because of the simplicity, I'm sure someone will do it.
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would be using it perhaps make it impossible to edit the server. That's something noone wants, right?
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Don't go making silly threats like that, even you should know that if someone wants to edit their server they can and they will. Even if all of TT was an official update, closed source, obfuscated and did memory scans like RG. Don't forget, this is just because of something you guys are doing to the servers, not what they are doing to you.
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. Pretty funny because you completely proved my point right in that sentence.
