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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351522 is a reply to message #351519] |
Sat, 20 September 2008 20:20   |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 21:51 |
Thats just weird. I'm all for keeping a child if it is alive, but thats just taking it to the extreme. I'd say kill the child and put it out of the misery that would soon come. It would be a mercy for it.
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how can you dictate whether it lives or dies!11!!!
as my libertarian friend might say
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351523 is a reply to message #351519] |
Sat, 20 September 2008 20:32 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 22:51 |
Thats just weird. I'm all for keeping a child if it is alive, but thats just taking it to the extreme. I'd say kill the child and put it out of the misery that would soon come. It would be a mercy for it.
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Now you've started a debate there, if someone is in pain should you put them out of their misery and would it be right to do so?
EDIT: Unless that was what the point of this thread was(that question^^)?
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351530 is a reply to message #351523] |
Sat, 20 September 2008 23:05 |
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| Lone0001 wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 04:32 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 22:51 |
Thats just weird. I'm all for keeping a child if it is alive, but thats just taking it to the extreme. I'd say kill the child and put it out of the misery that would soon come. It would be a mercy for it.
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Now you've started a debate there, if someone is in pain should you put them out of their misery and would it be right to do so?
EDIT: Unless that was what the point of this thread was(that question^^)?
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We're not talking about a man who's lost all his legs and arms in war, brain damage, no nerve system and is a total vegetable, we're talking talking about a.. ooh let's see.. 2 month old fetus, that WILL die very soon since it has no skin, barely any muscles, very small organs and probably no conscious mind.
that thing won't be able to grow another inch, killing it now wouldn't be murder.
hmm with my mind I reckon I should work at abortion clinics.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351538 is a reply to message #351530] |
Sun, 21 September 2008 00:22 |
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| Ryu wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 23:05 |
| Lone0001 wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 04:32 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 22:51 |
Thats just weird. I'm all for keeping a child if it is alive, but thats just taking it to the extreme. I'd say kill the child and put it out of the misery that would soon come. It would be a mercy for it.
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Now you've started a debate there, if someone is in pain should you put them out of their misery and would it be right to do so?
EDIT: Unless that was what the point of this thread was(that question^^)?
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We're not talking about a man who's lost all his legs and arms in war, brain damage, no nerve system and is a total vegetable, we're talking talking about a.. ooh let's see.. 2 month old fetus, that WILL die very soon since it has no skin, barely any muscles, very small organs and probably no conscious mind.
that thing won't be able to grow another inch, killing it now wouldn't be murder.
hmm with my mind I reckon I should work at abortion clinics.
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this shit to me is rough i still say it will be murder....i rather leave it in a hospital and let it die on its own nice and peaceful....
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351568 is a reply to message #351481] |
Sun, 21 September 2008 08:42 |
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Ugh, these kinds of situations are fucking retarded, just like this lady. It's not even conscious, and all she's doing is giving her other children horrible nightmares and clinging to some fuck-tarded religious doctrine that she's probably misinterpreting.
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351574 is a reply to message #351564] |
Sun, 21 September 2008 10:21 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 11:32 |
| Ryu wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 02:05 |
that thing won't be able to grow another inch, killing it now wouldn't be murder.
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Yes it is. Murder is taking the life of another human being. And by definition, a fetus, although not fully developed, is still a human. Therefore it is murder if you kill it.
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It's not autonomous. I doubt it is even sentient yet. I'm not sure if it can even feel. If it can't feel, and it's going to die, then I don't know if it's cruel to keep it alive, and if it makes the parents happy... whatever. If it can feel, thus be in pain, and it's not going to have any happy, autonomous future, there's no point in keeping it alive.
whoa.
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351627 is a reply to message #351538] |
Sun, 21 September 2008 17:57 |
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| SSnipe wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 02:22 |
| Ryu wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 23:05 |
| Lone0001 wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 04:32 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sat, 20 September 2008 22:51 |
Thats just weird. I'm all for keeping a child if it is alive, but thats just taking it to the extreme. I'd say kill the child and put it out of the misery that would soon come. It would be a mercy for it.
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Now you've started a debate there, if someone is in pain should you put them out of their misery and would it be right to do so?
EDIT: Unless that was what the point of this thread was(that question^^)?
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We're not talking about a man who's lost all his legs and arms in war, brain damage, no nerve system and is a total vegetable, we're talking talking about a.. ooh let's see.. 2 month old fetus, that WILL die very soon since it has no skin, barely any muscles, very small organs and probably no conscious mind.
that thing won't be able to grow another inch, killing it now wouldn't be murder.
hmm with my mind I reckon I should work at abortion clinics.
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this shit to me is rough i still say it will be murder....i rather leave it in a hospital and let it die on its own nice and peaceful....
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I think I'll just go with what you said SSnipe.
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351634 is a reply to message #351574] |
Sun, 21 September 2008 19:14 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 13:21 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 11:32 |
| Ryu wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 02:05 |
that thing won't be able to grow another inch, killing it now wouldn't be murder.
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Yes it is. Murder is taking the life of another human being. And by definition, a fetus, although not fully developed, is still a human. Therefore it is murder if you kill it.
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It's not autonomous. I doubt it is even sentient yet. I'm not sure if it can even feel. If it can't feel, and it's going to die, then I don't know if it's cruel to keep it alive, and if it makes the parents happy... whatever. If it can feel, thus be in pain, and it's not going to have any happy, autonomous future, there's no point in keeping it alive.
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This is the exact same thing as abortion. EXACT SAME THING.
If you are against abortion, then you should be against killing this child. If you are for killing the child, then you aren't against abortion.
I for one could not care less as it ain't my kid.
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351686 is a reply to message #351634] |
Mon, 22 September 2008 05:18 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 22:14 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 13:21 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 11:32 |
| Ryu wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 02:05 |
that thing won't be able to grow another inch, killing it now wouldn't be murder.
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Yes it is. Murder is taking the life of another human being. And by definition, a fetus, although not fully developed, is still a human. Therefore it is murder if you kill it.
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It's not autonomous. I doubt it is even sentient yet. I'm not sure if it can even feel. If it can't feel, and it's going to die, then I don't know if it's cruel to keep it alive, and if it makes the parents happy... whatever. If it can feel, thus be in pain, and it's not going to have any happy, autonomous future, there's no point in keeping it alive.
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This is the exact same thing as abortion. EXACT SAME THING.
If you are against abortion, then you should be against killing this child. If you are for killing the child, then you aren't against abortion.
I for one could not care less as it ain't my kid.
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How is this anything like abortion? If the child can develop outside of the womb, then you shouldn't kill it. However, an 8 week old fetus is not capable of surviving outside of the womb.
whoa.
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| Re: This just totally borderlines psychotic... [message #351750 is a reply to message #351481] |
Mon, 22 September 2008 11:05 |
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You're an idiot.
Never have I used the argument that it "feels pain"*. That only leads down a slippery slope, and is just a weak argument. A lot of things feel. Does that make it wrong to euthanize our pets? Is it wrong to hunt and eat meat?
I'm pro-life, but I'm also pro-euthanasia/mercy killings. If something/someone is in pain and/or has absolutely no foreseeable future, especially no autonomous, happy future, then it's proper to put the being out of its misery.
Oh, and it can't feel. It can't feel until the third trimester...
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electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks
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* I know you never said that I have used the argument. You did, however, say that anybody against abortion should be against killing the child and that "pain" is a "main" argument against abortion. Seeing as I'm pro-life, you 'implied' that I've used the argument or would support it.
whoa.
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