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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #349871 is a reply to message #349861] |
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Spoony
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getting points for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON isn't misbalance?
a team who's lost half their base, been pinned in their own base and failed to play offensively at all, while the enemy dictated the entire pace of the game, and yet the defensive team managed to win not by any superior strategy or teamwork but because they spent more time shooting things they didn't damage... isn't misbalance?
GDI not having to even take the field on Field, when Nod does, isn't misbalance?
defensive play being rewarded over offensive play isn't misbalance?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #349894 is a reply to message #349854] |
Mon, 08 September 2008 09:50 |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 07:39 |
it's like evolution vs creationism all over again, it really is.
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Hence why it's just politics, all your other condescending remarks aside.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Sun, 07 September 2008 21:16 |
Like how snipe only has just become a teleport to the tunnel BS fest, when you used to have the option to snipe in the field.
I always sniped in the tunnel anyway, but I liked the occasional field snipe...whatever.
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 07:39 |
you've well and truly lost me here... how has the pointsfix prevented you being able to "snipe in the field"? unless you're describing "sniping" as shooting heavy tanks with a weapon that barely damages them?
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I said snipe only. As in, snipers are the only unit allowed in play.
It seems the popular snipe only servers now teleport you instantly to the tunnel, and that's the only place you're allowed to fight.
If you try to go somewhere else, you're either blocked, or teleported back.
It's fine in some ways, for most maps...but then some maps, you just never used to even go to the tunnels, and some players simply always sniped in the field, or liked to use scope.
Now those players are forced to snipe in the tunnels.
I usually sniped in the tunnel anyway, but sometimes I want to loop my enemy, and sometimes if I'm being a beast and managed to fight my way into their base...I'd like to hide in their base and snipe people when they're unaware and leaving their base.
But those things are all against the new snipe only rules.
It also seems like all the CTF servers are gone, except for ones with crazy modifications and stupid stuff.
Inf only servers all seem to have base kill now.
All of Renegade has changed.
It's not for the better in most cases.
But if you didn't get the idea from reading my last post, possibly because of things like "people just say this stuff to feel better when they're wrong" I'm actually seeing your side of the points fix.
I think it means less depth and what not...but I see how it makes sense, and let's you use stanks without worry since the enemy will only get 90 points when they kill them, so who cares what happens?
I don't agree it was cheating, that's an opinion, and not a fact.
Even if it was a glitch, it wasn't cheating. Cheating is a pretty powerful word to me, and this just seems like a case of accepted exploitation, which exploits aren't cheats.
But that's an opinion as well. Can't be proven one way or another.
I know you said it's going to be optional and what not, but if it's forced for the ladder, then I don't see how it's optional at all.
Chuck made a good post.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #349928 is a reply to message #349905] |
Mon, 08 September 2008 12:24 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 12:49 |
A successful stealth rush doesn't give the other team more points.
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And how many times a successful Stealth Tank rush can work on a Barracks whored on by 5+ Hotwires and defended by 5+ Mobiuses and PIC Sydneys?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #349931 is a reply to message #349905] |
Mon, 08 September 2008 12:26 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 13:49 |
A successful stealth rush doesn't give the other team more points.
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If a stealth rush is truly successful, points shouldn't matter that much as the game would be pretty much in Nod's favor (unless they enormously fuck up, or something.)
yeah
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #349940 is a reply to message #349894] |
Mon, 08 September 2008 12:41 |
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| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 07:39 |
it's like evolution vs creationism all over again, it really is.
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Hence why it's just politics, all your other condescending remarks aside.
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when I compared it to evolution vs creationism, I was talking about the fact one side uses logically-formulated theories backed up by evidence, and the other side just rants and bullies and ignores anything that proves them wrong.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
I said snipe only. As in, snipers are the only unit allowed in play.
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k, so? these servers are modifying the game in a massive way by disallowing 95% of the game's units and 100% of the game's strategy. why are you complaining about what goes on in there? it isn't even Renegade.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
I usually sniped in the tunnel anyway, but sometimes I want to loop my enemy, and sometimes if I'm being a beast and managed to fight my way into their base...I'd like to hide in their base and snipe people when they're unaware and leaving their base.
But those things are all against the new snipe only rules.
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they're allowed in RENEGADE servers.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
It also seems like all the CTF servers are gone, except for ones with crazy modifications and stupid stuff.
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lol... CTF is, by definition, a 'crazy modification'.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
Inf only servers all seem to have base kill now.
All of Renegade has changed.
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no, Renegade hasn't. AOW (which is what Renegade actually is, where all the units and strategies are allowed - barring a few obvious bugs like ob walk and b2b, obviously) has not changed.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
But if you didn't get the idea from reading my last post, possibly because of things like "people just say this stuff to feel better when they're wrong" I'm actually seeing your side of the points fix.
I think it means less depth and what not...but I see how it makes sense, and let's you use stanks without worry since the enemy will only get 90 points when they kill them, so who cares what happens?
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uh yes, you do have to "worry" about them because stanks are expensive and flimsy, and if you're all stanks and you get taken out, GDI'll have the field.
all of this is balanced. what is NOT balanced is the ridiculous amount of points havocs and GDI soldiers and APCs and orcas can strip off those stanks for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
| s0meSkunk wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:50 |
I know you said it's going to be optional and what not, but if it's forced for the ladder, then I don't see how it's optional at all.
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which ladder? the ladder TT revived, the ladder that wouldn't exist without TT?
here's a question: if you want a ladder where the top players can be guys who spend all game shooting stuff they don't damage... why don't you make one?
the key word in that question is "you".
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #349977 is a reply to message #346858] |
Mon, 08 September 2008 16:30 |
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All of these discussions will seem quite useless if the anti-cheat part of the patch gets bypassed in a week like the last renguard...
lol
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #350050 is a reply to message #346858] |
Mon, 08 September 2008 23:38 |
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You know, if I can provide you a detailed, point-by-point proof that the original points system was bugged, then shouldn't the anti-points fix people be required to do so as well?
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #350063 is a reply to message #350050] |
Tue, 09 September 2008 00:48 |
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Spoony
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NO, DAMMIT!
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