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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345318 is a reply to message #344612] Wed, 06 August 2008 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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to TT:
create something working, nearly bugfree, gameenhancing and do it in a few weeks/months.


Why. People need to trust TT. They should see what you are doing. Just give them a little cookie thats desperatly needed. The whole pie can be delivered next year. Show them Renegade ain't dead. Show them you can do it. Each day nothing changes renegade dies more (i'm afraid. I don't have numbers to prove it althought.)


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345322 is a reply to message #345318] Wed, 06 August 2008 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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w0dka wrote on Wed, 06 August 2008 11:00

to TT:
create something working, nearly bugfree, gameenhancing and do it in a few weeks/months.


Why. People need to trust TT. They should see what you are doing. Just give them a little cookie thats desperatly needed. The whole pie can be delivered next year. Show them Renegade ain't dead. Show them you can do it. Each day nothing changes renegade dies more (i'm afraid. I don't have numbers to prove it althought.)

goog idea.
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345412 is a reply to message #345318] Wed, 06 August 2008 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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w0dka wrote on Wed, 06 August 2008 18:00

to TT:
create something working, nearly bugfree, gameenhancing and do it in a few weeks/months.


Why. People need to trust TT. They should see what you are doing. Just give them a little cookie thats desperatly needed. The whole pie can be delivered next year. Show them Renegade ain't dead. Show them you can do it. Each day nothing changes renegade dies more (i'm afraid. I don't have numbers to prove it althought.)

At first the idea was to firt have tt nearly done, before we would announce, but later that changed, and well, now everyone experiences that announcing it at that time was not a good idea.


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345422 is a reply to message #344612] Wed, 06 August 2008 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I find it a good idea: a lot of decent suggestions have been posted.

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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345473 is a reply to message #345422] Thu, 07 August 2008 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 08:39

I find it a good idea: a lot of decent suggestions have been posted.

IMHO the difference would've been that that major parts would've been done, and thus allow us to focus on finishing those, and when someone didnt feel like working on the more important things, he could do some suggestions. Now there are just a shitload of suggestions, and also some major stuff that needs to be done before release.


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345490 is a reply to message #344612] Thu, 07 August 2008 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then ignore our suggestions and get on with the anti-cheat please, so us moderators can get back to playing and not typing !kick all the damn time please. Smile


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345503 is a reply to message #344612] Thu, 07 August 2008 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree to hell with fixing all the bugs, get the anti cheat stuff done, give that to us(so we can watch people get bad overnight). You can do all the g33ky coder stuff that you think just has to be right later Wink. Besides some nerd will prolly have a new cheat out for you to block by the time you finally get done.

If you guys are expecting to be done for good eventually, sorry to say it won't happen the workload will decrease but there will always be a mandai out there who finds it fun to make cheats.


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345506 is a reply to message #344612] Thu, 07 August 2008 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd say take your time and deal with as many bugs/issues/fixes as possible... as well take the necessary precautions in revising the fixes. This definitely is not something to rush.

It may also be better to release everything in one pack rather than multiple ones.


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345526 is a reply to message #345506] Thu, 07 August 2008 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 16:59]It may also be better to release everything in one pack rather than multiple ones.

wrong. you lose at life


just release the anti cheat and major bugs first

and the reticle per weapon.
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345534 is a reply to message #344612] Thu, 07 August 2008 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow, we have some really unappreciative assholes around here.

They're doing this free, and for the benefit of you, so cut them a break.


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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345535 is a reply to message #345526] Thu, 07 August 2008 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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blly wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 19:30

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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 16:59]It may also be better to release everything in one pack rather than multiple ones.

wrong. you lose at life


just release the anti cheat and major bugs first

and the reticle per weapon.


says the guy with location of " ONLINE ALL DAY EVERY DAY ..."

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Any bugs should be released all in one. This is basically what the patch is being made for; then approaching to EA with the list and hopes of getting it approved.

Minor things such as rectiles per weapon, radio, new additions to the gameplay are not bugs, so it should not even be considered at this point. Possibly in future developments after it has been approved and all bugs have been fixed.

In the end, of course there will be other patches. There always is for any program out there. Take the Microsoft or Linux (or even MAC) operation systems. New patches, new versions every x amount of time. Once everyone sees the big picture, this would be much easier to understand.
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345537 is a reply to message #345535] Thu, 07 August 2008 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gkl21 wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 21:40


Minor things such as rectiles per weapon, radio, new additions to the gameplay are not bugs, so it should not even be considered at this point. Possibly in future developments after it has been approved and all bugs have been fixed.


You seem to forget that the scripts.dll is not only for Renegade. APB, AR, Reborn, etc all have heavy use of it, and if they want to have custom reticles and other such features in them, then they should be able to. Renegade sits there and remains unchanged (except for the bug fixes and enhancements), the mods around it push the engine far beyond what Renegade did. They need these features that "shouldn't be considered".

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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345539 is a reply to message #345537] Thu, 07 August 2008 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TruYuri wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 22:06

gkl21 wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 21:40


Minor things such as rectiles per weapon, radio, new additions to the gameplay are not bugs, so it should not even be considered at this point. Possibly in future developments after it has been approved and all bugs have been fixed.


You seem to forget that the scripts.dll is not only for Renegade. APB, AR, Reborn, etc all have heavy use of it, and if they want to have custom reticles and other such features in them, then they should be able to. Renegade sits there and remains unchanged (except for the bug fixes and enhancements), the mods around it push the engine far beyond what Renegade did. They need these features that "shouldn't be considered".


Yes, they should be able to add them. But since they are not bugs / glitches, instead addons, to me, they wouldn't seem as important for the initial release. Making the time line longer just loses a greater amount of faith in projects (at least this is what history has shown).
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345554 is a reply to message #344612] Thu, 07 August 2008 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The big unknown factor in all this is EA. They can promise whatever they like, I still need to see them push this patch.

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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345574 is a reply to message #344612] Fri, 08 August 2008 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suggest that everyone has only 1 thread for all his opinions, suggestion, bugs so it wont be crawling with threads.
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345577 is a reply to message #344612] Fri, 08 August 2008 01:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, it's better to do one topic per suggestion so people can discuss each suggestion.

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Re: Just a little hint... [message #345622 is a reply to message #345535] Fri, 08 August 2008 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gkl21 wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 21:40

blly wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 19:30

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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 16:59]It may also be better to release everything in one pack rather than multiple ones.

wrong. you lose at life


just release the anti cheat and major bugs first

and the reticle per weapon.


says the guy with location of " ONLINE ALL DAY EVERY DAY ..."

...

Any bugs should be released all in one. This is basically what the patch is being made for; then approaching to EA with the list and hopes of getting it approved.

Minor things such as rectiles per weapon, radio, new additions to the gameplay are not bugs, so it should not even be considered at this point. Possibly in future developments after it has been approved and all bugs have been fixed.

In the end, of course there will be other patches. There always is for any program out there. Take the Microsoft or Linux (or even MAC) operation systems. New patches, new versions every x amount of time. Once everyone sees the big picture, this would be much easier to understand.

ok gkl, lets make a teary-eyed post saying im leaving orever, then hang around still LOLOLOLLO

what really needs to be done is get the big bug fixes out ASAP, like the keys heli glitch, the bluescreen, anti-cheat, those just off the top of my head. make that your priority. then, when thats done, and we see the number of cheaters go down and the glitching fuckers like axeldogg get shit on every game then the second patch will be done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and gkl is a fag
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345628 is a reply to message #345412] Fri, 08 August 2008 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For sometime i had no idea what tt meant and was hanging only around mod forum
Re: Just a little hint... [message #345657 is a reply to message #344612] Fri, 08 August 2008 14:03 Go to previous message
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Currently, we place all these little things on our todo list, however not each of them will probably be done in the patch. EA indeed is a unknown factor at this time, we want to be sure to have a good quality patch for that reason though, so we have the biggest chance on getting it done. Less important things will only be done when there is time for it. Meaning when not every coder can work on an other feature at that point.

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