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| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 17:58 |
Your assumption that Democrats (including Obama) are that much different from Republicans just shows how naive you are. Both parties are essentially the same. They just have slightly different agendas, neither of which are positive for America.
We need a third party leadership. Be it Libertarian, Green, Constitutional, or any other party that will shake up the results. I just pray that it'll never be the Communist or Socialist parties.
Edit: That Rush quote would work if there were only two choices. As it is, there are DOZENS. It makes no sense why someone would hate both apples and oranges, but force themselves to choose one or the other, even though they could just as easily want mangos, pineapples, grapes, kiwis, plums, nectarines, peaches, etc...
Sure, the store may only carry apples and oranges, but if you bitch and moan and still buy one of the two fruits, the store isn't going to change a damn thing because you're still buying fruit.
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That's right, there is a reason they are called the Republicrats. Which party is going to fix the financial mess the Federal Reserve has created? Which party is going to actually protect the sovereignty of this nation by enforcing a logical border policy? Which party is going to decrease spending both foreign and domestic to a level that is sustainable? NONE, both are big government parties that have pretty much made the Constitution a useless piece of paper.
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| Re: Election betting thread... [message #344576 is a reply to message #344551] |
Sat, 02 August 2008 20:40 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 18:58 |
Your assumption that Democrats (including Obama) are that much different from Republicans just shows how naive you are. Both parties are essentially the same. They just have slightly different agendas, neither of which are positive for America.
We need a third party leadership.
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I agree with your assessment, but disagree with your solution. Why would we ADD a 3rd party? That is just adding fuel to the fire.
I say abolish political parties completely. All of them are unhealthy for the country.
The country is supposed to be ran for and by the individual, but because of political parties and interest groups, it is more like the country is ran for and by the groups with the largest influence.
For example, lets say there is a group that has 500 members. They believe in raising taxes. Now lets look at the 1000 individual people who aren't in a group and believe in lowering taxes. Who do you think gets more say? The large entity of 500 people or a few individuals who aren't involved in any groups?
It's the party that stands out over the group of individuals and that simply isn't fair.
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| Re: Election betting thread... [message #344580 is a reply to message #344576] |
Sat, 02 August 2008 21:32 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 23:40 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 18:58 |
Your assumption that Democrats (including Obama) are that much different from Republicans just shows how naive you are. Both parties are essentially the same. They just have slightly different agendas, neither of which are positive for America.
We need a third party leadership.
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I agree with your assessment, but disagree with your solution. Why would we ADD a 3rd party? That is just adding fuel to the fire.
I say abolish political parties completely. All of them are unhealthy for the country.
The country is supposed to be ran for and by the individual, but because of political parties and interest groups, it is more like the country is ran for and by the groups with the largest influence.
For example, lets say there is a group that has 500 members. They believe in raising taxes. Now lets look at the 1000 individual people who aren't in a group and believe in lowering taxes. Who do you think gets more say? The large entity of 500 people or a few individuals who aren't involved in any groups?
It's the party that stands out over the group of individuals and that simply isn't fair.
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The point is to give people more of a chance. Ultimately, I agree that we should vote for who you believe in, and that's why you can do write-ins, but parties help people to unify common ideologies. You just need more than 2 or 3 major parties controlling the whole thing.
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| Re: Election betting thread... [message #344586 is a reply to message #344401] |
Sat, 02 August 2008 23:00 |
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Parties help people avoid having to think and form their own opinions. Most of the people I've talked politics with (IRL) loudly proclaimed their preference for one party or the other but on closer examination they disagreed with more than half of their party's platform and in the end either changed the subject or admitted that they only support that party either because of the issue du jour or because somebody told them they should. Republican, Democrat, I haven't seen any difference. The only people I've talked to who have their views in any sort of order are the ones who openly state that they do not support any specific party, because they are the people who actually took the time to develop a point of view from which to make informed political decisions. I'm not saying that you can't be a Dem/Rep and still have your own position, because I'm sure plenty do, but both parties depend on the ignorance of most of their supporters in order to remain in power.
You only need to have a few good conversations to realize just how deeply ingrained that ignorance is in our system; it is not only omnipresent but also expected. Hence the reason why politicians get called "flip-floppers" for simply changing their mind about something (and I don't mean when they do it just to get votes from both sides of the fence). Candidates who switch parties or go independent get only the briefest of media attention and are subsequently and systematically ignored. Independent presidential candidates only get recognition when they achieve a significant enough percentage of the vote to swing an election one way or the other- which brings up an interesting paradox: you can't get funds without recognition, and you can't get recognition without funds (especially not in the mainstream media). The only people who have both to begin with are either independently super-wealthy or already affiliated with one of the major parties.
Yes, it is that bad.
Parties allow candidates to attach their name to a platform without actually telling anyone what that platform is- which is why we get races where the entire thing is decided based on who does better PR. When you vote for a Republican or a Democrat, you are voting for the organization, not the individual... and you really should know what you're getting into before you tick the ballot. If you do know and still want to cast your vote for one or the other, good for you. Just realize that you are in the minority.
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Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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Sun, 03 August 2008 12:08 |
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A lot of people believe that Obama is something 'different' , but when get past his oratory skills, and cult status, he's actually a regular politician; he's moved to the center, and has made quite a few 'flipflops' on the way; some of his moves are also opportunistic. In fact, he's even taken a page out of George Bush's book, and has worn his religion on his sleeve contrary to McCain, who really wants nothing to do with religious wing-nuts.
I have an issue of the July 12th 'Economist' which has a good page by their Lexington correspondent on Obama's changes in position. I can't find it posted anywhere online, but I might try and scan it, as it is interesting.
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Sun, 03 August 2008 20:28 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 18:58 |
We need a third party leadership.
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RON PAUL!!! YEEE HAWW!!
Seriously.
Also, there are too many racists in this country to allow Obama to win.
But politically correct, I hope people will realize, like someone else said above, that Obama's campaign is all about trying to make people like him, not solving actual issues. I mean come on... Voting rights for illegal aliens????
His campaign slogan should be "The color of my skin is no reason to hate me. It is a reason to vote for me though."
And now I'm getting off on another anti-Obama rant, so I'm done.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.
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| Re: Election betting thread... [message #345357 is a reply to message #344401] |
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Not that I am really paying attention to politics, One of my teachers told me that the one that usually Gets the most negative attention wins the election. Not that I know its true, just putting it out there of what I have heard, I would Say McCain though.
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| Re: Election betting thread... [message #345793 is a reply to message #345671] |
Sat, 09 August 2008 14:48 |
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| GoArmy44 wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 00:35 |
| Ryu wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 17:17 |
| GoArmy44 wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 21:53 |
| Ryu wrote on Thu, 07 August 2008 14:52 |
So if I vote for Obama because he's black, Does that make me prestigious?
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Prestigious? I don't think voting for anyone would make you prestigious.
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hmm, maybe that wasn't the word I was looking for.
Damn the English language!
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Prejudice maybe? Hey at least you spelled it right unlike a number of fools around here.
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'Tis the word indeed, Prejudice!
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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