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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341892 is a reply to message #341888] |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 17:28 |
| gkl21 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 00:05 |
With logic reasoning, and not menting the pointfix being off, if the pointfix was on, what can be done to make people "happy" regarding the cash flow? That's the ONLY factor ..
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Well, I have tried to start a suggestion topic in Serverowners, but somehow some people are only bashing it should be an option, instead of looking for a REAL solution 
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I noticed, so hopeing the public will have something reasonable to say
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341981 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 04:02 |
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What happens when people join a marathon game after the ref's been dead 2 hours? Games can go on for 6+ hours sometimes, no cash flow adjustment is going to matter then is it?
And what is wrong with wanting an option? The players like the server exactly how it is, we have no reason to change it in the slightest. We have no asked for a change, we do not want a change. The server is fun as it is, see that, fun, we're more than happy with the gameplay in that server.
You are the one's saying we have to have it as part of the patch. We just don't want it, you need to quit being offended thinking we're ungreatful in someway, and stop trying to find other ways to force us to have it. We are 100% happy with that server how it is.
*Edit, I will bring the subject up, but don't get your hopes up too much. I will go with what the community wants.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341986 is a reply to message #341984] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 05:51 |
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| Hex wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 13:49 |
End of day, forcing something on someone won't work and you're more lightly to have people not even bother using any patches
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That's a bit easy: then why force someone to not cheat? Why force someone to not be able to abuse a lot of other bugs that will be fixed?
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341991 is a reply to message #341989] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 06:31 |
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| Hex wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 15:23 |
| Goztow wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 13:51 |
| Hex wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 13:49 |
End of day, forcing something on someone won't work and you're more lightly to have people not even bother using any patches
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That's a bit easy: then why force someone to not cheat? Why force someone to not be able to abuse a lot of other bugs that will be fixed?
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Don't even try and compare the server owners choice to use something or not to players cheating or abusing bugs, thats just moronic
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TT is a client patch which might also need a server patch. But it's a client patch to start with.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341992 is a reply to message #341981] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 06:31 |
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 06:02 |
What happens when people join a marathon game after the ref's been dead 2 hours? Games can go on for 6+ hours sometimes, no cash flow adjustment is going to matter then is it?
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Firstly, joining a game halfway through, when half your base might already be dead, is strategically stupid. If you want to do join at that time, by all means do so. But don't complain if you can't buy a tank because your WF is already dead, if you can't buy advanced infantry because your barracks is already dead, or if you are strapped for money because your refinery is already dead. Of course, the same people who complain about this tend to be the same people who bitch at their team upon joining and learning that a building's already dead; that kind of stupidity isn't hard to debunk since it's much more the fault of the guy who's just joined.
Secondly, here are some things you can do if you don't have money:
- Get an engineer and fix your buildings. If you can supposedly shoot enemy tanks ineffectually with a GDI soldier, it seems likely that your base is being shelled.
- Get an engineer and heal your teammates... who knows, the enemy tanks might actually end up being destroyed.
- Actually try destroying the tanks with an engineer, grenadier or flamethrower
- Get a soldier (or shotgunner) and take out enemy infantry and light vehicles, which they're deceptively good at doing.
- Try sneaking, even with an engineer. On most maps this is at least plausible, if not easy; on other maps you can grenade buildings.
All of the above have something in common which the idea of shooting heavy tanks with a soldier does not; they all help your team, and they all make sense. It absolutely beggars belief why so many people seem convinced that if you don't have money, the only thing you can do is shoot something you don't damage. Leaving aside the whole argument about how nonsensical it is and how it was not intended to even be possible, it has to be pointed out that it does fuck all to help your team, whereas all the above alternatives very possibly will help your team.
Every time you show me someone who complains about not being able to get money by shooting tanks with a soldier, I'll show you someone who is too damn thick to realise all the other things they could be doing to actually help their team, get money, or both.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342002 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 08:09 |
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People who play in our marathon server play for fun. Anything beyond that really doesn't matter. Pointsfix = less credits = less fun, at least in marathon games.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342003 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 08:14 |
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Even if the ref is dead for 2 hours, still have some kind of cash flow adjustment. This adjustement is NOT related to buildings whatsoever.
The reason for the question, with more support, having everyone run the same background file will gain better interest and support from the EA individuals.
If you still want the "green bug" on, this should be done in the regulator (should be possible via gamelog file) to adjust cashflow of the players. Then there is no difference from the non-pointfix and pointfix, consdering in Marathon servers only cash flow matters.
Server says I have the pointfix on.
Regulator says I will adjust to make the green bug happen.
So the points will not be equal to cash flow (as it is before the point fix)..
That doesn't seem to be logical ? It seems it can be done though... From what all I've been hearing, that would the the ideal solution into fixing this matter.
Remind you, I'm still not saying it should be an option or not, this is IF it was always on.
Anyways, can't people still run a CP2, CTF, or coop server without being affected ? If that's the case, then all this "arguing" is pointless. Just don't install it and lose the fixes. Everything has it benefits, but also, they have sacrifices at the same time.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342016 is a reply to message #342003] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 09:29 |
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| gkl21 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 11:14 |
Even if the ref is dead for 2 hours, still have some kind of cash flow adjustment. This adjustement is NOT related to buildings whatsoever.
The reason for the question, with more support, having everyone run the same background file will gain better interest and support from the EA individuals.
If you still want the "green bug" on, this should be done in the regulator (should be possible via gamelog file) to adjust cashflow of the players. Then there is no difference from the non-pointfix and pointfix, consdering in Marathon servers only cash flow matters.
Server says I have the pointfix on.
Regulator says I will adjust to make the green bug happen.
So the points will not be equal to cash flow (as it is before the point fix)..
That doesn't seem to be logical ? It seems it can be done though... From what all I've been hearing, that would the the ideal solution into fixing this matter.
Remind you, I'm still not saying it should be an option or not, this is IF it was always on.
Anyways, can't people still run a CP2, CTF, or coop server without being affected ? If that's the case, then all this "arguing" is pointless. Just don't install it and lose the fixes. Everything has it benefits, but also, they have sacrifices at the same time.
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That works imo. Credits is the issue, not points.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342017 is a reply to message #342016] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 09:31 |
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| Homey wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 11:29 |
| gkl21 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 11:14 |
Even if the ref is dead for 2 hours, still have some kind of cash flow adjustment. This adjustement is NOT related to buildings whatsoever.
The reason for the question, with more support, having everyone run the same background file will gain better interest and support from the EA individuals.
If you still want the "green bug" on, this should be done in the regulator (should be possible via gamelog file) to adjust cashflow of the players. Then there is no difference from the non-pointfix and pointfix, consdering in Marathon servers only cash flow matters.
Server says I have the pointfix on.
Regulator says I will adjust to make the green bug happen.
So the points will not be equal to cash flow (as it is before the point fix)..
That doesn't seem to be logical ? It seems it can be done though... From what all I've been hearing, that would the the ideal solution into fixing this matter.
Remind you, I'm still not saying it should be an option or not, this is IF it was always on.
Anyways, can't people still run a CP2, CTF, or coop server without being affected ? If that's the case, then all this "arguing" is pointless. Just don't install it and lose the fixes. Everything has it benefits, but also, they have sacrifices at the same time.
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That works imo. Credits is the issue, not points.
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What do you think would be the best situation / combination to have to keep the credits in line? Remember, most likely (not definate) it can be programmed...
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342019 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 09:37 |
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The topic I've posted on our forums, I stated that the points are not issue in the fix. Credits are the problem.
I've posted a few scenarios, and have asked for suggestions. If anyone wants to add some here, please do so.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342053 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 12:00 |
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Is it really that hard to simply give server owners a choice? It's THEIR server, so THEY should be the ones who will decide if the 'points-fix' is implemented or not.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342071 is a reply to message #342017] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 13:47 |
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| gkl21 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 12:31 |
| Homey wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 11:29 |
| gkl21 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 11:14 |
Even if the ref is dead for 2 hours, still have some kind of cash flow adjustment. This adjustement is NOT related to buildings whatsoever.
The reason for the question, with more support, having everyone run the same background file will gain better interest and support from the EA individuals.
If you still want the "green bug" on, this should be done in the regulator (should be possible via gamelog file) to adjust cashflow of the players. Then there is no difference from the non-pointfix and pointfix, consdering in Marathon servers only cash flow matters.
Server says I have the pointfix on.
Regulator says I will adjust to make the green bug happen.
So the points will not be equal to cash flow (as it is before the point fix)..
That doesn't seem to be logical ? It seems it can be done though... From what all I've been hearing, that would the the ideal solution into fixing this matter.
Remind you, I'm still not saying it should be an option or not, this is IF it was always on.
Anyways, can't people still run a CP2, CTF, or coop server without being affected ? If that's the case, then all this "arguing" is pointless. Just don't install it and lose the fixes. Everything has it benefits, but also, they have sacrifices at the same time.
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That works imo. Credits is the issue, not points.
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What do you think would be the best situation / combination to have to keep the credits in line? Remember, most likely (not definate) it can be programmed...
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Pointsfix, but credits work the exact same as now. Exactly how Jelly said it. It wouldn't change the current gameplay and it would award points/ladder points according to the system. Works well imo.
Homey
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342076 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 14:04 |
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I am for the "points" part of the fix, just not the creds.
If we can come up with an alternative, so points are gained the same as any points fix server, and the ladder points are still calculated the same os other points fix servers, but we keep the green bug, I'd be very happy with that.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342084 is a reply to message #342056] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 14:35 |
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 22:03 |
I'd be all for the green bug, points and creds are not equal. If creds were gained as they are now, I'd be more than happy to have the points fix on.
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I already suggested something like a base cashflow (for marathon servers) of 0.5 creds/sec but you decided to ignore that and just continue to tell that you don't want it differently.
I can see your point, and I do actually want a solution which allows bugs to be fixed, but the gameplay to be logical. The point bug makes no sense, as I think we can all agree.
Also, another option could be to give twice/triple or even more credits per point. That way you will still get more credits if you do actual damage, but are not forced to engi rush tanks for an hour to get a med.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #342085 is a reply to message #342084] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 15:04 |
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Seems more logical to keep the same amount of credit flow to the client for any part of the health just not in the green area. I would make it 1.5 times the amound since it would be fairly easy to gain money this way.
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