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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341291 is a reply to message #341284] |
Wed, 16 July 2008 18:43   |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 19:53 |
you're already taking away ladder for those servers, so what's the problem if it uses the classic points system if it doesn't matter in the rank? just let it be a serverside option that can be toggled on or off (:
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You're just beating the dead horse now.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341356 is a reply to message #338417] |
Thu, 17 July 2008 01:21 |
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They say it, so it must be right. The people who own servers, and the players that log-on to play in them must have no say in what goes on it seems.
If we dare to disagree, we are talked down to because our opinion differs to there's.
The reasoning and logic behind the fix is all well and good, and we can have all the scenarios and stats in the world thrown at us, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make the game more fun, that is what matters, for most people it seems.
The fix is controversial to say the least, and to have a group of 5 or 6 people tell us we have to have it is a disgrace, and shows a complete lack of respect. As a server owner for over 4 years, I put enough time and money into this game for my thoughts on what I want my server to mean something. This goes for many other server owners who also disagree with the fix, and players also.
The system we have has been in place 6 years and people are used to it, flawed or not. If they don't want to see it changed, and that seems to be the over whelming opinion, then that needs to be listened to.
Logic doesn't always = fun.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341376 is a reply to message #341356] |
Thu, 17 July 2008 04:20 |
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21 |
They say it, so it must be right. The people who own servers, and the players that log-on to play in them must have no say in what goes on it seems.
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The very fact this forum is here, prooves that that isn't true.
| Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21 |
If we dare to disagree, we are talked down to because our opinion differs to there's.
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You put forward arguments (most people don't, but you do) and they reply with their arguments. I don't see how that's talking down someone. I do agree that the same things have been said 5 times (maybe even by different people) but that's true for both sides, the reason being that it seems that most arguments are either not understood, misunderstood or ignored.
| Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21 |
The reasoning and logic behind the fix is all well and good, and we can have all the scenarios and stats in the world thrown at us, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make the game more fun, that is what matters, for most people it seems.
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That's your opinion, mine is different but I respect your opinion.
| Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21 |
The fix is controversial to say the least, and to have a group of 5 or 6 people tell us we have to have it is a disgrace, and shows a complete lack of respect. As a server owner for over 4 years, I put enough time and money into this game for my thoughts on what I want my server to mean something. This goes for many other server owners who also disagree with the fix, and players also.
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Actually, I only heard a group of 3-5 people disagree and put forward some arguments as to why they disagree. You assume that the silent mass agrees with you, but so do I. I'll make a nuance: I actually expect that the silent mass will agree with me when they'll have tried it, as I don't really know what this silent mass thinks at the moment. 
| Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21 |
The system we have has been in place 6 years and people are used to it, flawed or not. If they don't want to see it changed, and that seems to be the over whelming opinion, then that needs to be listened to.
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See previous.
| Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21 |
Logic doesn't always = fun.
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I think we're both in favour of leaving the choice to the server owners. The reason I reply here is that it has been stated pretty clearly now that the decision will be made after beta testing and that there's a high chance there will be a "no points fix patch" which will be the exact opposite of what exists today and which should solve this problem.
So I think it's time to let this topic die until beta testing.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341445 is a reply to message #341444] |
Thu, 17 July 2008 14:17 |
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| Rocko wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 15:53 |
the silent mass is a bunch of noobs that wouldnt even know how to download the tt patch
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If all goes well, they WILL get TT because it will be an autoupdate to their game (i.e. 1.038).
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341476 is a reply to message #341445] |
Thu, 17 July 2008 17:38 |
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Forget the ladders...servers without the pointsfix will always be available for those that need them. But they too should receive the benefits of latest TT updates while having an option.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341489 is a reply to message #341445] |
Thu, 17 July 2008 18:35 |
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| =HT=T-Bird wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 14:17 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 15:53 |
the silent mass is a bunch of noobs that wouldnt even know how to download the tt patch
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If all goes well, they WILL get TT because it will be an autoupdate to their game (i.e. 1.038).
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Except last time I checked, the Renegade autoupdater is broken (at least the one I got with my original Renegade is; I have no idea if TFD's works properly). The Westwood FTP is still up, so the files exist, but if it's going to download 99% and then screw up, people are going to be pissed and unable to upgrade.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341626 is a reply to message #341489] |
Fri, 18 July 2008 16:43 |
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| havoc9826 wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 21:35 |
| =HT=T-Bird wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 14:17 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 15:53 |
the silent mass is a bunch of noobs that wouldnt even know how to download the tt patch
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If all goes well, they WILL get TT because it will be an autoupdate to their game (i.e. 1.038).
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Except last time I checked, the Renegade autoupdater is broken (at least the one I got with my original Renegade is; I have no idea if TFD's works properly). The Westwood FTP is still up, so the files exist, but if it's going to download 99% and then screw up, people are going to be pissed and unable to upgrade.
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I've actually gotten it to work at 99%, all I have to do is Alt+Tab out of the game and then hit "Cancel" on it, and then it proceeds as normal, not joking in the slightest.
Besides, there is always the manual update.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341756 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 05:55 |
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I wholeheartedly agree with the points fix. I find the game MUCH more enjoyable now (when I actually get a chance to play Renegade).
As a former beta tester, I can easily explain why this wasn't discovered. We weren't playing the game like retards and ramjetting the harvester for insane points. The beta test wasn't enough time to notice the the subtle affects that came about with years of playing.
I can't tell you how frustrating it was to be Nod on Islands, have the WF and the Ref dead, and STILL FUCKING LOSE! Or to listen to my teammates screaming "LET THE WF DIE" on Field and then WINNING! I respect that some of you seem to think that makes the game fun, but I just simply don't think it's fun to have a shitty team that loses two buildings and somehow manages to win. It's so much more fulfilling to EARN the win. Period.
The sad thing is that most of you who are against it are that way simply because you don't have a pathetic and stupid way to get credits when you lose the ref. Yet somehow you are OK with not being able to upgrade your infantry without a barracks or not being able to get a vehicle without a WF.
I find your lack of logic disturbing.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341758 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 06:13 |
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A large number of people on Jelly don't want the pointsfix there. Logical or not that is the general consensus and Jelly himself is quite simply looking out for his community's best interest. I agree that it makes sense and all that jazz. I don't mind playing the game both ways but having an option for the fix would quite simply be ideal for all server owners.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341761 is a reply to message #341758] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 06:32 |
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| Homey wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 09:13 |
A large number of people on Jelly don't want the pointsfix there. Logical or not that is the general consensus and Jelly himself is quite simply looking out for his community's best interest. I agree that it makes sense and all that jazz. I don't mind playing the game both ways but having an option for the fix would quite simply be ideal for all server owners.
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In a nut shell, you've summed up everything I've tried to say in this topic.
I spend alot of my time in AOW1 where we have the points fix, so I am not anti-pointsfix in anyway at all, as long as it's in the right enviroment.
The option for server owners is all I ask..
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341762 is a reply to message #341489] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 06:33 |
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| havoc9826 wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 21:35 |
| =HT=T-Bird wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 14:17 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 15:53 |
the silent mass is a bunch of noobs that wouldnt even know how to download the tt patch
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If all goes well, they WILL get TT because it will be an autoupdate to their game (i.e. 1.038).
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Except last time I checked, the Renegade autoupdater is broken (at least the one I got with my original Renegade is; I have no idea if TFD's works properly). The Westwood FTP is still up, so the files exist, but if it's going to download 99% and then screw up, people are going to be pissed and unable to upgrade.
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Yeah, same. Except you don't even have to Alt+Tab out. Just hit cancel and it closes and takes you to the desktop and patches it. It downloads correctly. It just doesn't auto-initiate the install afterwards for some reason. True enough though, some people may not know about that. Why is the auto-updater broke anyway?
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341765 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 06:43 |
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So long as you're willing to sacrifice being on the ladder with all the prizes I got in a box from EA and promotions we will be doing, then having the option to keep a bug in the game is something that we can probably consider.
Even if I think anyone who wants to keep a bug in the game is mentally ill.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341770 is a reply to message #341765] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 07:00 |
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| Crimson wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 09:43 |
So long as you're willing to sacrifice being on the ladder with all the prizes I got in a box from EA and promotions we will be doing, then having the option to keep a bug in the game is something that we can probably consider.
Even if I think anyone who wants to keep a bug in the game is mentally ill.
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Some people like the game the way it is, the way it's been for 6 years. You like it how like it, some like what they know. Talking people down because they don't follow your thought trail is pretty childish tbh....
If people want to play for ladder, they can join AOW1, if not they can join marathon. It's a choice players will be able to make for themselves, without any provocation from myself, the TT team, or anyone else.
I fail to see why you would consider people to be "mentally ill" for making a choice about which server they choose to play on.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341772 is a reply to message #341770] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 07:20 |
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I can fully understand Crimson's view though...just came from a game on Islands...I was Nod.
-GDI destroys AS
-Nod (me) take out WF
-GDI destroys HON
I had my Light tank left. Try as I might, I could not attack any other GDI buildings unless I was willing to lose by points to a stupid moron Havoc who was ramjetting my light tank. At that point I thought I can still attack their 2 remaining structures; I attacked their Ref and their Barr but I got 2 ramjetters on me instead shooting round after round. I press Tab to see the points and I am like "Crap...let's get the heck out of here..."
I had to back off into my base to defend Ref. We lost ofcourse but after the game, I was left feeling a very frustrated mood because I could have killed Ref/Barr.
If the pointsfix was on, I am sure it would have been my Light vs PICS...NOT silly Havocs.
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| Crimson wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 08:43 |
So long as you're willing to sacrifice being on the ladder with all the prizes I got in a box from EA and promotions we will be doing, then having the option to keep a bug in the game is something that we can probably consider.
Even if I think anyone who wants to keep a bug in the game is mentally ill.
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Can you please eloborate more on these prizes? (!)...so top players in the ladder get prizes? I neever knew that!
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #341776 is a reply to message #341772] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 07:42 |
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| pawkyfox wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 10:20 |
I can fully understand Crimson's view though...
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I understand it too, and I like the fix personally. However alot don't, and it's for that reason I want the choice.
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