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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340193 is a reply to message #338417] |
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Well, that does it. It clearly seems like nothing but a bug, and it's fair and logical with the pointsfix. That's just about as close to official confirmation as you'll get. I say it be made mandatory, but I think you guys already have that decided so anyway.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340549 is a reply to message #340543] |
Sat, 12 July 2008 21:41 |
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| liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 22:05 |
so you're forcing it on everyone to prove that you're right about it seeming to be and acting like a bug
despite the fact that people don't have a problem with it and have played with it for over 6 years
you're trying to help but this might damage renegade more than help it and quicken its death overall
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Seriously, you're not reading at all and your above post was too convoluted for any sort of comprehension.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340551 is a reply to message #340549] |
Sat, 12 July 2008 22:09 |
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| cmatt42 wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 23:41 |
| liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 22:05 |
so you're forcing it on everyone to prove that you're right about it seeming to be and acting like a bug
despite the fact that people don't have a problem with it and have played with it for over 6 years
you're trying to help but this might damage renegade more than help it and quicken its death overall
but ok
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Seriously, you're not reading at all and your above post was too convoluted for any sort of comprehension.
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what do you mean you can't understand what he said? are you retarded
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340567 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 02:01 |
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Seriously, I understand both parties. It's true that it's just found its way into the silent Renegade tradition that if removed, would make gameplay noticeabley different. On the other hand, it IS a bug, and should be removed to change gameplay for the better. So basically there's three sides here. The people who don't want the points fix atall, the people who want the points fix to be the only option, and people who want it to be an optional feature that only server hosts can control.
I'm the third one.
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340571 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 02:24 |
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I still fail to see why it has to be mandatory, if a server owner wants to keep the game how it is, let them do so. If that then raises the question of servers being calculated different as regards to the main ladder, then add a stipulation that non-points fix servers will not count towards the ladder.
We will run the points fix on certain server/servers, however not on others. I support the "fix" in the right environment, and will continue to do so as I've done since the day it went beta. However if this is merely pushed down our throats, and we're told we have no choice, and to like it or lump it, I'm going to be far less supportive.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340572 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 02:36 |
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What I say to any server owner (or player) who complains about the pointsfix (on a marathon server or otherwise) is to not complain unless you have actually PLAYED a game with the pointsfix and seen for themselves what the fix actually does (and e.g. what strategies are available to use when in a mid-game marathon server with no refinery left)
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340574 is a reply to message #340572] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 02:56 |
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| jonwil wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 05:36 |
What I say to any server owner (or player) who complains about the pointsfix (on a marathon server or otherwise) is to not complain unless you have actually PLAYED a game with the pointsfix and seen for themselves what the fix actually does (and e.g. what strategies are available to use when in a mid-game marathon server with no refinery left)
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I have played on one thanks, since the day BI made made it available. We've run it as long as anyone. And I understand how to play the game just fine.
I'd still like the choice (key word here) of whether I want to install it on a particular server. I don't want a group of people dictating that it will be installed, regardless of what myself, and the server regulars want.
After all, logical doesn't always make things more fun, making things fair doesn't always make things fun. The purists of the game will argue until they drop dead that it makes the game more fun, and for them it may well do that, and they'll argue reputably with anyone who has their own opinion, on what makes the game fun for them. Basically, all the logic and fairness in the world could be implemented in this fix, that isn't the issue though for me, what players find fun, is what matters to me as a server owner.
Like I said, I am all for the fix, I prefer it, on the right server. I just want the option when I install, that's all. If the fix is so unbelievably good you should have some faith in it, and players will make their way to a points fix server, or they will stay away, and that will tell you whether the fix is wanted or not.
Just give server owners the choice, that's all I want, that's all I'm asking. Then the players too have a choice, and the number of players that join a points fix / non-points fix server will give you your answer as to whether it makes the game more fun or not.
If after reading this all I get back is, "bring us an argument as to why the fix is bad" type comment, then you clearly haven't read what I'm saying. I'm not debating the merits of the fix. I'm asking for an option, and the players who still log on everyday will make the decision as regards what makes the game fun(not fair or logical) for them, and not sitting here with a quote tree arguing between 15 people. Let the 600 players decide who log on to Renegade everyday decide what makes the game fun for them, and the only way to do that is give the server owners the option of whether to install the fix.
If you have so much faith in the fix, and think it will make the game so much better, then I see no reason why you wouldn't give us the option.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340653 is a reply to message #340571] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 09:09 |
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cmatt42
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 04:24 |
I still fail to see why it has to be mandatory, if a server owner wants to keep the game how it is, let them do so. If that then raises the question of servers being calculated different as regards to the main ladder, then add a stipulation that non-points fix servers will not count towards the ladder.
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This is perfectly reasonable.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340662 is a reply to message #340653] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 10:34 |
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| Jellybe4n wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 04:24 |
If that then raises the question of servers being calculated different as regards to the main ladder, then add a stipulation that non-points fix servers will not count towards the ladder.
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that's a given.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340663 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 10:39 |
Jellybe4n
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Then I see no reason what so ever to not make it an option on installing the patch. If a server accepts that their results do not effect the WOL ladder, then that server should be allowed to do so. They are not effecting anyone elses play, they are not gaining an advantage over players on other servers, as they will not be competing with them, simple as that.
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340669 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 11:09 |
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Considering the current point fix is server side, I suppose the new one would also be?
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340677 is a reply to message #340670] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 12:26 |
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Spoony
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^ that would seem the best idea imho.
make the pointsfix an automatic update, becoming the "official" renegade (as it clearly should) - but if people really want it, also release an unofficial "pointsbug" you can download, which also makes the server unladdered (if that's possible)
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| Re: in regard to the points fix [message #340681 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 13 July 2008 12:31 |
Jellybe4n
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Do it whichever way floats your boat, call it whatever you want to amongst your little team. Just give server owners an option, and not back them into a corner where they have to install something they really don't want in order to benefit the rest of the patch. Which is effectively what will happen on some servers.
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