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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #338706 is a reply to message #338417] |
Thu, 03 July 2008 04:23 |
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sadukar09
Messages: 2812 Registered: May 2007 Location: Ottawa,Canada
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Funny how Ion stopped posting...
Quote: | [19:16:48] <APBBR> @ryan3k: THE ENFIELD DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS BECAUSE THE BULLETS INSTANTLY HIT THEIR TARGETS LOL
[19:16:52] <APBBR> @ryan3k: CHRONO TECHNOLOGY IN TEH BULLETS
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Quote: | [22:48]<APBBR> @V0LK0V: AOL COMING UR WAI K
[22:48] <APBBR> Host: Quitting due to Westwood Online connection loss.
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #338713 is a reply to message #338417] |
Thu, 03 July 2008 06:02 |
kannies
Messages: 78 Registered: December 2007
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This whole pointfix things does actually make sense and makes the game fair and I respect TT's efforts to defend it.
The problem is that it should have been fixed years ago, now time has passed, peoples perceptions have changed.
5 years ago people would say " why the fuck do you get so many points for shooting a harvy with a ramjet when it does so little damage? Shouldnt Westwood fix that shit? Its not fair!"
The above scenario never was fixed because Westwood is no more. Because it was never fixed, people got used to it and their perception accepted that it was a normal feature of renegade.
The current state of affairs is that now people are actually defending the flaw. Is it even a flaw? To a person who thinks logically and methodically it is, the current system is no doubt a complete flaw!
But the inconvenient truth is Human nature, people are reluctant to change, dont force it on them.....
IMO the time to apply the points fix passed a long time ago, better to leave things the way they are and enjoy what time renegade has left.....Peace out!
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #338716 is a reply to message #338417] |
Thu, 03 July 2008 06:16 |
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Goztow
Messages: 9735 Registered: March 2005 Location: Belgium
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So your whole argument is: yes, it's a bug, yes it should have been fixed a long time ago but as it hasn't been, we got used to it so you shouldn't fix it anymore because otherwise people might need to change their well known strategies ever so slightly.
That's a bit like saying: Mugabe is a bad dictator for Zimbabwe, we've known that for a very long time, he shouldn't have had the power all this time but now that we get the possibility to elect someone else, we shouldn't do so because we're used to Mugabe being bad now.
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #338996 is a reply to message #338993] |
Sat, 05 July 2008 13:26 |
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Goztow
Messages: 9735 Registered: March 2005 Location: Belgium
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cmatt42 wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 22:03 | Actually, that would only work if they people didn't know he was "bad" per se and accepted it as norm.
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How do you think the people in Zimbabwe live?
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #339018 is a reply to message #338999] |
Sat, 05 July 2008 16:17 |
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cmatt42
Messages: 2057 Registered: July 2004
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Goztow wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 15:26 |
How do you think the people in Zimbabwe live?
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I don't see where you're going with this, but we're going off topic now.
Rocko wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 16:03 | Are you guys going to refund my money for renegade when you force online to suck?
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Yes, how dare they make the game better with boatloads of fixes and improvements.
GunKataGaming.net
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #339131 is a reply to message #338999] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 03:15 |
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Goztow
Messages: 9735 Registered: March 2005 Location: Belgium
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Rocko wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 23:03 | Are you guys going to refund my money for renegade when you force online to suck?
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Why don't you refund the time I spend using and moderating your stupid messages?
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #339246 is a reply to message #338999] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 14:11 |
Rocko
Messages: 833 Registered: January 2007 Location: Long Beach, California
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Rocko wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 16:03 | Are you guys going to refund my money for renegade when you force online to suck?
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black and proud
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #339323 is a reply to message #339298] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 16:07 |
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TruYuri
Messages: 97 Registered: June 2008
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liquidv2 wrote on Sun, 06 July 2008 17:18 | you're doing a lot of hard work for a lot of people who are fine with renegade the way it was released and have played it consistently that way for 6 years
that's what Rocko is saying
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They have put plenty of stress on how this tiny pointsfix will make NEGLIGIBLE changes to your actual gameplay.
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #339368 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 18:43 |
Rocko
Messages: 833 Registered: January 2007 Location: Long Beach, California
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so wat, if its "negligible" then why bother putting it in? lol obviously there's something there that is going to be changed a great deal. and living without points fix is not as bad as living under a zimbabwe dictator. that's a really silly thing to say.
it's not worth it.
black and proud
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Re: in regard to the points fix [message #339372 is a reply to message #338417] |
Sun, 06 July 2008 19:26 |
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This is clearly a bug in renegade and should be fixed like any other bug in renegade. Westwood should have fixed it but they did not do so If westwood were still around and making patches for renegade, I am sure they would fix this bug in exactly the same way we did.
As a programmer, I refuse to deliberatly leave a bug unfixed just because some players are used to how the gameplay works with the old broken code. Westwood never intended for you to get so many points for shooting a harvester with a sniper rifle or other small arms.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
Official member of Tiberian Technologies
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