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DarkDemin wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 14:30

Me: "Well actually Windows Vista is the most stable and secure release of windows ever, and now that service pack one is out it performs even better


This fact is 100% untrue, for me, all SP1 did was mess up some programs I had installed and performance was not improved(if anything it is slightly worse) at all.


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R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 20:02


Everything about the system just seems completely unnecessary. I can do everything I need to with XP and it runs better. So why should I have to upgrade a PC to us an OS that lets me do less stuff than XP?


You shouldn't. I'm not a Vista supporter, but i'm not a Vista shunner either, because I havn't used Vista for more than 5 minutes (i was in a store for a few minutes playing about with it whilst waiting for my brother to buy something). I don't use Vista because I don't need to, I have no DX10 games.

Caveman wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 14:43


The only thing you have with Vista thats even half decent is DX10 and that at the moment is being ported for XP..



Where did you find this out? If Microsoft are indeed porting it to XP, then there goes one of the big selling points for Vista for many people.

Caveman wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 20:39


You run Vista on a 2.4Ghz w/1GB ram and it runs smoothly and I run XP on a P2 400 w/256MB DDR133 yet we're getting the same things. I'd prefer not to spend money on upgrading that computer to do something its already doing perfectly fine.


That's because XP is 7 years old. A very little percentage of computers now in use are P2's, so why should Vista be designed to run well on them when it should be designed in the knowledge that most systems are atleast P4 standard.

However, I agree that if Vista does make un-needed features compulsary then that's crazy. I will need to try Vista for some time and establish my own opinions before judging it. All that I have posted here comes from me not having used the OS, so I concider myself unbiased.

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Yes I know that Xylaquin but what im trying to point out is that I am running XP he is running Vista and he needs a computer thats 5 fold mine to run the same things that I have with XP. So why go out and pay what £150? for vista and then what £250 for a semi decent computer to use vista when you dont get anything thats beneficial?

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Re: What do you hate about Windows Vista/What can be improved/added on Windows Vista to make it bett [message #332823 is a reply to message #332613] Sat, 31 May 2008 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MS aren't porting X10 to Vista, various coders are, as they don't like being dictated to by MS.

The day we can run games on Linux easily is the day Linux gains a massive user base.


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CarrierII wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 18:28

The day we can run games on Linux easily is the day Linux gains a massive user base.

So in other words, never or not in the next 5 years.
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Re: What do you hate about Windows Vista/What can be improved/added on Windows Vista to make it bett [message #332867 is a reply to message #332613] Sat, 31 May 2008 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What's really interesting is the fact that Vista Ultimate runs far better on *this* computer (with all the graphical effects and "bloat" turned on) than XP or 2k3 EVER did. I don't have any problems with visual tearing of GDI applications, I get more FPS in games, and my computer is far more stable. I have yet to see a single BSOD on this install that I did not personally cause.
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{SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:30

DarkDemin wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 14:30

Me: "Well actually Windows Vista is the most stable and secure release of windows ever, and now that service pack one is out it performs even better


This fact is 100% untrue, for me, all SP1 did was mess up some programs I had installed and performance was not improved(if anything it is slightly worse) at all.



Well maybe you should learn how to fucking use a computer.


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Most of the time when people have problems with Windows crashing it's because of some shitty third-party software they've installed.
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{SB}Lone0001 wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 19:07


The fact you require 1GB to even use it and 2GB to use it without it slowing down your computer


Thats funny because I had Vista installed on a machine here that only has 512MB of RAM, and it ran perfectly fine, including playing C&C3 and Call of Duty 4 with ease.
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Those RAM hogging effects are optional (The Aero interface) and setup disables them if it thinks you won't manage with your PC!

Also, SP1 made things go funny here too, only third party software was a copy of Delphi 7, AVG 7.5 and Ren really - I think the fact my OS debugger got set to the Delphi 7 one may have caused the issue. Anyway, installing the OS, then SP1 then everything works just fine.


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Blazer wrote on Sun, 01 June 2008 01:08

{SB}Lone0001 wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 19:07


The fact you require 1GB to even use it and 2GB to use it without it slowing down your computer


Thats funny because I had Vista installed on a machine here that only has 512MB of RAM, and it ran perfectly fine, including playing C&C3 and Call of Duty 4 with ease.



I can confirm that. I used Vista with 768mb of memory for awhile and it also ran perfectly fine. Sure I was bottlenecked by a 478 socket so games didn't run hardly, but the Vista experience itself was just fine.

I have found that Vista is hardly different from XP, and as a matter of fact I have found that I like the features in Vista quite a bit more.

Vista is also much better than XP when it comes to system diagnostics, self repair, and troubleshooting thanks to the awesome diag. team at MSFT! (Thanks guys!). Vista should be more stable than XP actually.


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But what processors do you two have? The program/game that SP1 messed up was C&C3.

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I'm running an Intel Core 2 Duo E6750.

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Ghz? and there's probably one reason why it runs well Core 2 Duo is a pretty good processor.

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The E6750 carries with it 2.66GHz cores each running on a 1.3GHz front bus. However, I have ran Vista in the past on a Intel Pentium 4 (478, 2.8GHz @ 533FSB) just fine.

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There you go there is the reason why it runs fine for you, I have a 2Ghz Centrino Duo and 1GB memory and performance isn't too good.

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However, I have ran Vista in the past on a Intel Pentium 4 (478, 2.8GHz @ 533FSB) just fine.


Mind you that was also with 768MB of memory.


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Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 01 June 2008 13:40

However, I have ran Vista in the past on a Intel Pentium 4 (478, 2.8GHz @ 533FSB) just fine.


Of course it would run fine on a 2.8Ghz processor why wouldn't it? 2.8Ghz is pretty high.


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Comparing the frequency of processors with different architectures is like comparing apples and oranges. Your 2 GHz Centrino Duo with 1 GB of memory is a more capable system than a 2.8 GHz P4 with 768 GB of memory. Likely, since your computer is a laptop, you have a weaker graphics card so try turning the eye candy off in Vista and it should run nicely.
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{SB}Lone0001 wrote on Sun, 01 June 2008 11:42

Of course it would run fine on a 2.8Ghz processor why wouldn't it? 2.8Ghz is pretty high.


Well what I suggest is that you read about the architecture of a processor. The external frequency is hardly what matters. Your Centrino is most likely runs on 800MHz front bus(s) which is much faster than a Pentium 4. Plus, you'll gain some nifty knowledge in the process and benefit in the end.


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OK, you've got me there, I'm using a Quad core 2.4 GHz and 2 GB of RAM.


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On my Sempron64 3400+ with 1.5GB RAM, Vista ran great for a while, but had a habit of slowing down very quickly once I installed the most mundane things (Steam, AVG, etc.). Now it takes a lot longer than XP to load. :/

That, and it's started randomly locking up, which XP on the same machine doesn't do. Dunno what's causing that though. (it isn't a virus)
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i'm still an XP boy but what I really want to know is if I should wait for Windows 7 or get Vista.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

I read that Windows 7 may be out in Jan. of 2010 so thats only a year and a half away.

Me, being almost 40, remember having to play the latest games on dos then it seemed like from '95 to '97 running games like CIV2 just sucked on Windows until Windows '98 came out. Is Vista going to go down in history as just a waste or will Windows 7 be the new thing to cry about until something better comes along?

My guess is Microsoft will try to fix the unpopular side of Vista features with Windows 7, while trying to sneak in as much copyright spying as they can into the new OS.


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