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| Ryu wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 14:27 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33 |
Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good!
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but you still live with your parents so.. who's dignity is at stake?
the plot thickens.
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Im 17, not 25 like cheesesoda or w/e, And I already got my own home, moving in August 25th of this year (when I get back from my EU trip this summer). Its in the burbs, single 2 story home, valued at over $255,000 US. I got accepted to law school (ottawau, criminology, 4 year honors degree) with a scholarship, so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
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| Re: Dole [message #331824 is a reply to message #331724] |
Sat, 24 May 2008 16:19 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 22:24 |
if canada's anything like britain, every student lives in unenviable accommodation - the cool thing is the student lifestyle teaches you as much about economy management than your course will teach you about whatever you're studying.
so calling a student "poor" is just... dense.
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OSAP only gives the students *just* enough to support them during the school year, nothing extra. Most student have the part time jobs in order to go out, even pay for about 25%-50% of living (includes food, gas, etc). Basically it is, the government is helping oyu half way, but it is upto yourself to get all the way.
About all these posts who has what, who can do what, who cares. Good for you if you have something. People, just remember one thing (and it is true for 90% of cases). Those who have, don't say. Those who don't have, embellishes.
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| Re: Dole [message #331834 is a reply to message #331401] |
Sat, 24 May 2008 20:48 |
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Come to think of it. Since when are college scholars and such ever right about anything that happens in the real world?
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| Re: Dole [message #331839 is a reply to message #331822] |
Sat, 24 May 2008 23:44 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 |
so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
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sorry, which assumption?
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| Re: Dole [message #331848 is a reply to message #331401] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 01:39 |
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Although being generally conservative, I am a proponent of free post-secondary education (providing the student attains proper grades, etc). My country pisses away so much cash into stupid ventures that would be better spent on future workforces. It might even lead to governments that don't suck.
I've found that students who take out government loans, work part-time, etc. to pay for their schooling are much better employees at my workplace. As well, I manage a couple apartment buildings, and they also make for better tenants. I think the lack of 'sheltering' is the reason, as they had to learn how to use their heads, and are much more in touch with the real world.
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| Re: Dole [message #331850 is a reply to message #331401] |
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In Belgium, post graduate education costs the parents about 500 € per year inscription money if you odn't have any post graduate degrees yet. The rest is sponsored by the government.
On top of this you can get scholarship to cover most surrounding costs, like books, transport, ...
I think it's a good system to give everyone a fair chance at getting a degree.
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| Re: Dole [message #331870 is a reply to message #331839] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 06:01 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 |
so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
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sorry, which assumption?
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That student like means "money management". That is true in the US (most of the time), since tuition is about $20,000/year, but everywhere else (I dont know about UK) it is reasonable, here in canada its only about $6,000.
But the osap thing greg is talking about, that only applies to low income families who already are listed on a government assistance plan so...
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| Re: Dole [message #331873 is a reply to message #331848] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 07:00 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 03:39 |
Although being generally conservative, I am a proponent of free post-secondary education (providing the student attains proper grades, etc). My country pisses away so much cash into stupid ventures that would be better spent on future workforces. It might even lead to governments that don't suck.
I've found that students who take out government loans, work part-time, etc. to pay for their schooling are much better employees at my workplace. As well, I manage a couple apartment buildings, and they also make for better tenants. I think the lack of 'sheltering' is the reason, as they had to learn how to use their heads, and are much more in touch with the real world.
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| Re: Dole [message #331907 is a reply to message #331870] |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:01 |
| Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 |
so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
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sorry, which assumption?
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That student like means "money management". That is true in the US (most of the time), since tuition is about $20,000/year, but everywhere else (I dont know about UK) it is reasonable, here in canada its only about $6,000.
But the osap thing greg is talking about, that only applies to low income families who already are listed on a government assistance plan so...
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Not sure which schools you've been to, but it's 2.3k to 20k (even 30k) per year for courses... All depends on a college or university setting... The OSAP is not for low income families only either...
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| Re: Dole [message #331936 is a reply to message #331824] |
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| gkl21 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 19:19 |
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 22:24 |
if canada's anything like britain, every student lives in unenviable accommodation - the cool thing is the student lifestyle teaches you as much about economy management than your course will teach you about whatever you're studying.
so calling a student "poor" is just... dense.
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OSAP only gives the students *just* enough to support them during the school year, nothing extra. Most student have the part time jobs in order to go out, even pay for about 25%-50% of living (includes food, gas, etc). Basically it is, the government is helping oyu half way, but it is upto yourself to get all the way.
About all these posts who has what, who can do what, who cares. Good for you if you have something. People, just remember one thing (and it is true for 90% of cases). Those who have, don't say. Those who don't have, embellishes.
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OSAP is retarded. My girlfriend had to use it this year, it paid for her school and books but part of the agreement of taking OSAP (in her case) was the amount of money she could make during the school year. It ended up causing more problems than it was worth. Her living conditions changed early on and that may have been the problem. Anyways, college is pretty cheap here and most people can afford it as long as they're living at home.
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| Re: Dole [message #331972 is a reply to message #331907] |
Mon, 26 May 2008 08:10 |
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| gkl21 wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 15:25 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:01 |
| Spoony wrote on Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 18:06 |
so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
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sorry, which assumption?
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That student like means "money management". That is true in the US (most of the time), since tuition is about $20,000/year, but everywhere else (I dont know about UK) it is reasonable, here in canada its only about $6,000.
But the osap thing greg is talking about, that only applies to low income families who already are listed on a government assistance plan so...
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Not sure which schools you've been to, but it's 2.3k to 20k (even 30k) per year for courses... All depends on a college or university setting... The OSAP is not for low income families only either...
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Check the OSAP website for "conditions to apply". I had aa seminar on it, and was told it was for families with kids going to college/uni that made under X ammount/year, or something like that. For tuition fee's, im strictly talking tuition. Board makes it 2x, but even Canada's top school's (queens,macgill, etc) are under $7,500/year.
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| Re: Dole [message #332013 is a reply to message #331972] |
Mon, 26 May 2008 13:30 |
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I know what the system is, and it's bullshit. Not all conditions have to be met  .. i've been threw it already, and didn't go back for my last 2 years of schooling on OSAP...
What you have been told, and what I have done seem to be totally two different things...
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| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 26 May 2008 16:22 |
Im just going offer their website, under "conditions to apply". Either way, tuition is no way $30,000/year for a single uni in Canada. I'll easily put money on that, Ive looked around.
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Try looking at double majoring. It does apply as one in that case
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| Re: Dole [message #332239 is a reply to message #331401] |
Tue, 27 May 2008 14:58 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 19:06 |
| Ryu wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 14:27 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33 |
Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good!
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but you still live with your parents so.. who's dignity is at stake?
the plot thickens.
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Im 17, not 25 like cheesesoda or w/e, And I already got my own home, moving in August 25th of this year (when I get back from my EU trip this summer). Its in the burbs, single 2 story home, valued at over $255,000 US. I got accepted to law school (ottawau, criminology, 4 year honors degree) with a scholarship, so I think Spoony's asumption is a dangerous one to make.
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Best of luck in Criminology, but it might be useful to figure out what law school is before you start telling people you attend it.
Also, please stop bragging about things your parents have bought you. My parents have money too; one of the things that you will hopefully figure out at school is that no one gives a shit how rich daddy is, and going on about it makes you seem like a giant fag.
Finally, since you weren't satisfied with my response of "collage," let me say this:
- I am not poor.
- Yeah I lived in a shithole. The student ghetto at Queen's University is extremely run down. This is not my personal problem; anyway, it means that you can fuck around and not worry about damaging the beautiful house mommy and daddy bought.
- I am no longer a student as I've just graduated.
- Oh no, you said I'm ugly 
Enjoy Ottawa U. With any luck you'll grow up a bit.
EDIT: As far as tuition is concerned, at Queen's my tuition was about $8000 this year, but I was in Engineering. I think tuition for an art sci student was more like $4500.
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I got a scholorship so im saving money in that sense, I only had a job when it was winter (snowboarding), nor do I need one. OttawaU isn't cheap, but im not doing a double major. Just need to get good grades to try for LSAT'S in 3rd year to get accepted to law school, $60,000 starting salary first year out.
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| Re: Dole [message #332525 is a reply to message #332524] |
Fri, 30 May 2008 07:41 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 15:22 |
I don't plan to work too much, I already have some pretty cool connections to people who run their own firms, so I already basically have a job the second I finish school (and a reserved spot for my apprenticeship in 3rd year). And with most canadian firms, base salary is $60,000/year based on certain requirements, but either way ive already looked into all of this.
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apprenticeships are rare now, there like gold dust, and only contracted builder firms do them now (plumbing, plastering etc)
it's not very common for other places to do them.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: Dole [message #332579 is a reply to message #331634] |
Fri, 30 May 2008 13:30 |
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| cnc95fan wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 14:45 |
I think the dole should only be allowed to those who cannot physically work. Why should I pay for someone else's wellbeing?
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Maybe because some people can't get a job? And they still need money to survive, so if they can't get money legally they will acquire it illegally, through murdering you and stealing your belongings for example.
The idea behind social welfare is to make sure the poor stay out of crime. In Netherland this isn't needed because the jails are 3-star hotels and jail time is really low.
| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 15:33 |
Look at this ugly, poor piece of shit, and your rebuttal is a spelling mistake? lmfaoo, pretty good!
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He looks pretty hot, anything wrong with that?
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| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 10:22 |
I don't plan to work too much, I already have some pretty cool connections to people who run their own firms, so I already basically have a job the second I finish school (and a reserved spot for my apprenticeship in 3rd year). And with most canadian firms, base salary is $60,000/year based on certain requirements, but either way ive already looked into all of this.
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Haha, you're lying or just really stop if you think you aren't gonna work. And $60.000/year isn't much with the salary you can get if you graduate on anything economics or science related from college.
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