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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3964693.ece

Oh God! What has Science done!? Now we will have ACTUAL FURRIES.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331439 is a reply to message #331438] Wed, 21 May 2008 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The comments about this article are hilarious.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331515 is a reply to message #331438] Thu, 22 May 2008 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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omg we already have to many humans, now they want to make monsters? wow
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331523 is a reply to message #331438] Thu, 22 May 2008 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am seeing some correlation between the type of posts and geographical location. I'm not quite sure what it is telling us here...
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331581 is a reply to message #331438] Thu, 22 May 2008 16:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's science, if they can fuse the two together it tells a lot about human DNA and what not, soon we'll be growing human body parts.

Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331602 is a reply to message #331438] Thu, 22 May 2008 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331647 is a reply to message #331439] Fri, 23 May 2008 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 20:37

The comments about this article are hilarious.


This is a good comment:

Quote:

This is a good decision. I'm glad we're getting a step closer to finding cures for these terrible diseases.

I apologize for the scientifically ignorant, knee-jerk comments coming disproportionately from the USA.

Steve, Bloomington, Indiana, USA


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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331660 is a reply to message #331438] Fri, 23 May 2008 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have two rare "orphan" diseases, and I oppose this research. Science has brought more misery than help. It is absurd to think this won't be used to grow living hybrids. The a-bomb was supposed to stop here; it didnt; it exceeded its bounds.

Margaret, Los Alamos NM, US


Another great quote... especially the stuff in bold.

Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331663 is a reply to message #331660] Fri, 23 May 2008 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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warranto wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 12:21

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I have two rare "orphan" diseases, and I oppose this research. Science has brought more misery than help. It is absurd to think this won't be used to grow living hybrids. The a-bomb was supposed to stop here; it didnt; it exceeded its bounds.

Margaret, Los Alamos NM, US


Another great quote... especially the stuff in bold.




Being sarcastic or serious?


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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331730 is a reply to message #331663] Fri, 23 May 2008 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 18:41

warranto wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 12:21

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I have two rare "orphan" diseases, and I oppose this research. Science has brought more misery than help. It is absurd to think this won't be used to grow living hybrids. The a-bomb was supposed to stop here; it didnt; it exceeded its bounds.

Margaret, Los Alamos NM, US


Another great quote... especially the stuff in bold.




Being sarcastic or serious?


obviously sarcastic, science is what gives you a tetanus shot after being bitten by an animal, that needle injection that saves your life from meningitis.

science that figured out how to pump your stomach from alcohol before your kidneys fail to filter it and you lose two kidneys.

yup, science fucked this world over!


Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331737 is a reply to message #331438] Fri, 23 May 2008 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Science also brought us the tools with which to completely destroy ourselves.

The problem isn't the tool, it's the motivation and the use.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331747 is a reply to message #331438] Sat, 24 May 2008 03:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And my twin had the menigitis vaccine, then got menigitis. So hey...


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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331764 is a reply to message #331747] Sat, 24 May 2008 07:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CarrierII wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 11:09

And my twin had the menigitis vaccine, then got menigitis. So hey...



There are roughly four different ones, his vaccine must have worn out or he got seriously unlucky.

The one you get treated for as a baby is the mild version, the rest are fairly serious.


Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331812 is a reply to message #331438] Sat, 24 May 2008 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I say we start putting terminator genes like those in genetically modified plants into people like Rocko who after posting retarded messages just keels over and dies...that would be a true miracle of science.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331922 is a reply to message #331812] Sun, 25 May 2008 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny how my pro-Rocko post was silently deleted. Good job mods. Sarcasm

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331968 is a reply to message #331730] Mon, 26 May 2008 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ryu wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 22:31

Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 18:41

warranto wrote on Fri, 23 May 2008 12:21

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I have two rare "orphan" diseases, and I oppose this research. Science has brought more misery than help. It is absurd to think this won't be used to grow living hybrids. The a-bomb was supposed to stop here; it didnt; it exceeded its bounds.

Margaret, Los Alamos NM, US


Another great quote... especially the stuff in bold.




Being sarcastic or serious?


obviously sarcastic, science is what gives you a tetanus shot after being bitten by an animal, that needle injection that saves your life from meningitis.

science that figured out how to pump your stomach from alcohol before your kidneys fail to filter it and you lose two kidneys.

yup, science fucked this world over!


Right, sarcastic.

It's tough to qualify whether "more" harm than good came from science. Has harm come from science? Yes. But as Aircraftkiller said, it's the motivation and the use (but to add one, the results of the use) that carries the blame, rather than the tool.

I say results because it may just be that the motivation and the use were correct, but the result is harm. Hollywood is always good for examples: I Am Legend shows the result of harm when motivation and use were pure.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331987 is a reply to message #331438] Mon, 26 May 2008 10:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it weren't for science, you guys wouldn't be able to be debating here about whether science has helped us or hindered us.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #331998 is a reply to message #331438] Mon, 26 May 2008 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that woman that is being quoted by warranto says she has two rare diseases, how would she know wtf she has if it were not for science. and im sure if there was treatment to her diseases she would be praising science and flaming the next person to post her exact post.

got to love hypocrites

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #332000 is a reply to message #331438] Mon, 26 May 2008 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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She's not being hypocritical.

She's not saying science has ONLY harmed, just that it has done more harm than good.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #332011 is a reply to message #332000] Mon, 26 May 2008 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Topic fails.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #332044 is a reply to message #331438] Mon, 26 May 2008 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A topic can't "fail", please stop being an idiot by saying things like that. I'm sure you could come up with a more reasonable reply that includes what you think the discussion of science and its contributions to the world without coming off as a 4chan user.

nikki: That isn't the point whatsoever. The point is that the tool is neither "good" nor "bad". It's just like anything else in life: the usage determines the connotation. If nukes were able to clear up the world's trash problem without dangerous side-effects I bet everyone would love them, but that's simply not going to happen because nukes were primarily designed as a weapon for massive destruction.

That's an example of what I mean. It doesn't matter that people created the means by which we convey information today. It does matter what's presently happening with scientific advancements. I really don't care if it's possible to create hybrids. I fear the day that research will be used for eugenics or for creating weapons.

If you think the benefits outweigh the costs, I hope I don't have to live with the consequences.
Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #332045 is a reply to message #331438] Mon, 26 May 2008 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know that. The internet can be used for horrible things too, but one can not write off the amount of usefulness it provides us.

It's not as if I'm not agreeing with you. Anything can be used for 'good' or 'evil' , whether it's a scientific development, a religious scripture, or a rock.

As for my opinion on this embryonic stuff, I don't like it much at all. Frankly, I think we humans have bigger problems to solve. Less time should be spent on curing horrible illnesses, and more time should be spent on preventing them. Lifestyle plays a major part of whether you get cancer, or you live to be 100.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #332050 is a reply to message #331438] Mon, 26 May 2008 20:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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True, but there's a large difference between the Internet and human-animal hybrids being used for biological research. I don't agree with slippery slopes but I honestly can't see it being anything else. Where does the research stop, and at what point do the vices begin to outweigh the gains?

I don't think any of us are qualified to try and arbitrate that, so I can only hope that our future is determined by those with a middle ground morality rather than either extremes. Pushing forth with research with no regard for the value it removes from human life is just as bad as the other extreme; blocking all scientific advancements that don't agree with the majority.

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Re: British MPs back creation of human-animal embryos [message #332053 is a reply to message #332045] Mon, 26 May 2008 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 26 May 2008 21:52

As for my opinion on this embryonic stuff, I don't like it much at all. Frankly, I think we humans have bigger problems to solve. Less time should be spent on curing horrible illnesses, and more time should be spent on preventing them. Lifestyle plays a major part of whether you get cancer, or you live to be 100.


Try telling that to the kids who got deadly hereditary diseases and die at age 6 or 8 or 19. Somewhere along the line, a medical breakthrough must come in.

Another person's life should not be decided by the limitations of your primordial beliefs.

What takes priority? A zygote or a person who has evolved beyond that stage to full life, individual identity and unique personality?


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Both do, there is no reason why resources can't be directed to care for the ill and prevent new illnesses. Don't oversimplify things that can't be.
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