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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #331295 is a reply to message #331283] |
Tue, 20 May 2008 11:07   |
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Doitle
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It gets rid of the cluster fuck caused by too many damn browser windows.
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What "cluster fuck"? Windows give you versatility you just can't get with tabs. Literally impossible. You can't alt-tab out of an application into a tab, only a window. You need to then switch tabs to go to your website. I find that really annoying and counter-productive. When I am in TF2 I can alt-tab directly to the person who is talking to me on AIM. (Again non tabbed) Or I can directly alt-tab out of any game to check my e-mail, or refresh a thread. I completely fail to see how any productivity is gained with tabs. Even if you say you gain taskbar space, as soon as the taskbar fills up IE collapses into a single task bar instance that you can click on to select a window like your tabs allow.
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Willfully choosing a browser without tabs seems foolhardy, in my opinion.
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What about for people who... DONT LIKE TABS?
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Yes, to each their own. Still, I, and seemingly most people, tend to find tabbed browsing to be a god send.
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So because you like tabs, I should? You say "to each their own" but the still shoots that right out of the water.
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Heaven forbid sites actually promote what they like. You're not getting pissed off because you hate seeing sites trying to tell you to get the browser they like better. You're just getting pissed off because they're promoting a browser you don't like. It'd be like me getting annoyed because a site continually promotes the Democrat Party. I'd hate to see that everywhere I go, too. However, I know if I were to see advertisements for the Libertarian Party everywhere on a site, I'd be more proud than appalled. Unless, of course, those ads and suggestions are done via pop-ups. Then I universally hate them.
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No I am getting pissed off because every site on earth feels it needs to push Firefox on me. I know it is out there, every so often I give it another try thinking maybe this time it will click but it never does. I don't need to be pestered on every freaking site about it. You probably don't realize how often it happens since you use firefox, use IE for a day and just watch how many of those little "helpful reminders" you see. There is a difference between a little "I like Firefox *thumbs up*" badge that someone puts on their site which literally is promoting what they like, and the kind of Jehovah's Witness style bothering that goes on.
I forgot too there is one feature that will keep me from ever getting Vista and also keep me from using Firefox as my main browser. Integration. I use the fact that I can go to the top of a youtube window and type My Computer and be at My Computer countless times a day. Likewise I can be looking in my /b/ folder and then just come right here to Renegade Forums without having to open or touch anything else.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #331299 is a reply to message #331295] |
Tue, 20 May 2008 11:59 |
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cheesesoda
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What "cluster fuck"? Windows give you versatility you just can't get with tabs. Literally impossible. You can't alt-tab out of an application into a tab, only a window. You need to then switch tabs to go to your website. I find that really annoying and counter-productive. When I am in TF2 I can alt-tab directly to the person who is talking to me on AIM. (Again non tabbed) Or I can directly alt-tab out of any game to check my e-mail, or refresh a thread. I completely fail to see how any productivity is gained with tabs. Even if you say you gain taskbar space, as soon as the taskbar fills up IE collapses into a single task bar instance that you can click on to select a window like your tabs allow.
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How is it easier to alt-tab out of an application and having to keep going until you find the right window when you can just alt-tab to Firefox/Opera/Safari/IE7 and then just choose with your mouse what tab you want. Honestly, I find that to be more efficient.
I still find it to be more difficult and time consuming to have to click on the IE window grouping and then choose the right window than just quickly choosing my Firefox window and choosing the right tab.
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What about for people who... DONT LIKE TABS?
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I can still find it foolhardy to not like tabs.
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So because you like tabs, I should? You say "to each their own" but the still shoots that right out of the water.
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Or you could just read it as intended. I just meant that while I acknowledge people like different things, it seems that a vast majority like tabs better, not that the mainstream is always right.
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No I am getting pissed off because every site on earth feels it needs to push Firefox on me. I know it is out there, every so often I give it another try thinking maybe this time it will click but it never does. I don't need to be pestered on every freaking site about it. You probably don't realize how often it happens since you use firefox, use IE for a day and just watch how many of those little "helpful reminders" you see. There is a difference between a little "I like Firefox *thumbs up*" badge that someone puts on their site which literally is promoting what they like, and the kind of Jehovah's Witness style bothering that goes on.
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Perhaps there are more sites that do that than I realize because I use Firefox. I figured those sites were a very small minority, as I've always found it to be a standard that you designed your sites to work in ALL browsers.
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I forgot too there is one feature that will keep me from ever getting Vista and also keep me from using Firefox as my main browser. Integration. I use the fact that I can go to the top of a youtube window and type My Computer and be at My Computer countless times a day. Likewise I can be looking in my /b/ folder and then just come right here to Renegade Forums without having to open or touch anything else.
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I've never done that, even with IE. Even if I did, I don't think I'd use it enough to where that using IE would be overall more productive.
whoa.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #331301 is a reply to message #329998] |
Tue, 20 May 2008 12:06 |
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R315r4z0r
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Well I find Firefox better because of its ease of use and full out customability.
I still do use IE7 somewhat often at home and in school, although I use Firefox way more. The problem I see with IE7 is that I get lost in its interface.
Also its Tabbed browsing system has a small, tiny difference that annoys me. It doesn't have the "X" close button on tabs that aren't open. So you have to switch to the tab before you click to close it. Sure it is little... but it is still annoying.
Plus all the themes, gadgets, and tools you can easily get, install, and use for firefox are just icing on the cake.
However, that Website looks like it was made by a moron. None of those ideas either A) Make Firefox better than IE7 or B) Explain why IE7 doesn't work with the site..
EDIT: Also, I didn't like Tabs either and I used to avoid using them. But I somehow managed to convert into using them. It is much easier than opening new windows and it saves space in your task bar. Like if you are on a website and click to open a page, but don't want to leave the page you are on, just open the link in a new tab (middle click) and then close it when you are done. Anyway, my point is ignorance isn't an excuse for saying you don't like something.
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I forgot too there is one feature that will keep me from ever getting Vista and also keep me from using Firefox as my main browser. Integration. I use the fact that I can go to the top of a youtube window and type My Computer and be at My Computer countless times a day. Likewise I can be looking in my /b/ folder and then just come right here to Renegade Forums without having to open or touch anything else.
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I've never done that, even with IE. Even if I did, I don't think I'd use it enough to where that using IE would be overall more productive.
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I knew that existed, but I never used it. You should know that that ISN'T a "feature" it is actually a glitch in IE. And in fact there is a very good reason for why in IE7 the window doesn't automatically change to whatever location you went to anymore.
Lets say you were using IE and someone hacked your browser. All they would have to do is use that function to go onto your computer's files and read what you have. They could steal any information from you and you wouldn't be able to do a thing other than shutting down your computer (and I'm not even sure that works)
Actually, though in IE7, they did fix this. They changed it so that Internet Explorer no longer used the Windows Explorer interface like IE6 did. They made it so that if you were to type in "My Computer" in the URL bar, the "My Computer" window would pop up, but in a separate window using the Windows Explorer interface, thus protecting you against said hacker attacks. It could be handy, but since I have Object Dock, all I do is drag my mouse to the top of the screen and click and I am in my computer. Or if I didn't feel like doing that, I just press a button on my keyboard.
It is much easier than typing in "My Computer" into a URL.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #332426 is a reply to message #331740] |
Thu, 29 May 2008 10:26 |
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danpaul88
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| Jonty wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 09:17 |
That's like saying "Oh, I don't need an antistatic wrist-strap; I've fixed my computer loads of times and I've never used one"
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I have to admit I am guilty of that one  Although in theory as long as you keep part of your body in contact with the metal of the case you *should* be OK.
Random off topic comment for the day ^^
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #332467 is a reply to message #331740] |
Thu, 29 May 2008 16:07 |
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Ryu
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| Jonty wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008 09:17 |
| Doitle wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 00:19 |
Well that is one bug that I am happy to have. I've never been attacked through it and I use it so much.
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That's like saying "Oh, I don't need an antistatic wrist-strap; I've fixed my computer loads of times and I've never used one" - You can never guarantee it'll never happen. I know someone who didn't use an anti-virus on the basis that they never visited any dubious websites - then one day they found out they had a rootkit that had sent their credit card details off to some randomer.
I'd try and think of a real-world application like "Who cares if my house is made of asbestos, I'm not dead yet", but I've only just woken up and I haven't had my Frosties yet. 
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mmhm, Frosties, good choice in cereal. 
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #332468 is a reply to message #329998] |
Thu, 29 May 2008 16:09 |
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nikki6ixx
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I kinda got sick of Frosted Flakes when I was younger. Now I just have Vector in the morning.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #332469 is a reply to message #332468] |
Thu, 29 May 2008 16:12 |
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Ryu
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 30 May 2008 00:09 |
I kinda got sick of Frosted Flakes when I was younger. Now I just have Vector in the morning.
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You should try Coco-pops, sexy as hell.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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