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1. EA games if far behind the standard of excellence. They use the SAGE engine for anything they possibly can and this is worsened by the fact that it wasn't that good of an engine to begin with, let alone be using in 2002+
They have no desire to update or keep with the times, they add a new lighting module and truck on. Games like Bioshock, HL2: Ep2 and Call of Duty 4 are all using the latest and greatest, while EA is using a engine coded in the 90's and is soon to be a decade old.
2. Reluctance to add any decent gaming standards. Play some Company of Heroes and then play C&C3, you will think that C&C3 is just a mod of some really dusty RTS to have better graphics. There are 2 buttons and not much you can do with them, features like tank facing and queued commands should be a standard in any RTS but EA feels that the genre should remain in the past. With the lack of needing any strategy in any EA RTS, the game is very hollow. You build a crap load of harvesters, pick you out a spot for your mass o' war factories and blindly send any unit until the opposing team is dead. No need to worry about classes really, anything will do as long as its not AA only.
3. Test your games before you release them. Seriously, what's C&C3 up to now? (9?) patches? The game was better before you patched the crap out of it, the whole construction mechanics have been re-vamped. Before you start changing a major game play mechanic you might want to stop and think how people would feel about this.
4. Get better plots and stories. Kane blows, Tiberium blows and Scrin blows. Tiberian Sun was the worst game to ever hit C&C and you just rolled with it. I thought nothing could get the series more off-track than Red Alert 2 but by god Westwood, you ruined it all. The only good thing about a company buying out a legacy chain would be to take it back to the golden days and un-do what the original company did but neh, EA continued on with the failure. What do you think RA3 will be like? Good? Well it wont, it will be just like C&C3 and that gayfer future crap. RA is about WW2 but I bet EA will go with a WW3 aspect to make sure they make it all tiberium and futuristic. I have no problem with the Sci-Fi, Tesla Coils, Chrono Tanks etc etc is what made RA:R the best damn C&C to ever hit the shelves.
5. Monopoly. EA at this rate will be the #1 game developer on the market despite their (1-4). They buy all the companies they can and soon they will have no competition at all, the only games we will get are the EA trash they decided to make in under a year. Graphics you ask? Well it will be the SAGE or now the SAGE+ engine called RNA that is just...uhg. Let it die, license the Company of Heroes engine and spend more than 12 months making a game (or mod I should say in their case, they don't actually make games).
6. As long as they buy it, who cares what they want. All of you are enablers, its all crap and you people just keep buying it. I pirate everything they put out and it's not even worth my internet bill for this junk. They don't care about the fans, they make what they want and to hell with everything else. Look up C&C Tiberium, any real info or means to voice your opinion? I personally despise the idea of a control point C&C and I'm sure that the majority of people don't want C&C to turn into Warhammer. They will make this game, release a screenshot or two and ship it out. They don't even give a crap about the players at all and you people let them do it.
7. What can be done? My avatar, EA Headquarters (All of them) and a date/time. Lets make it happen people.
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Fri, 18 April 2008 11:05 |
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 12:58 |
What can be done? My avatar, EA Headquarters (All of them) and a date/time. Lets make it happen people.
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Or... we can, you know... just not play their games...
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
The only game where everyone competes to be an e-janitor.
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Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 13:24]| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 20:05 |
| Oblivion165 wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 12:58 |
What can be done? My avatar, EA Headquarters (All of them) and a date/time. Lets make it happen people.
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Or... we can, you know... just not play their games...
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Heh, appeasement does not work this time. A non-violent protest is necessary.
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I dunno guys... EA is making games a lot of people want to play. Sure it's likely generic BF/COD/Crysis garbage with fancy graphics, but if that's what the market demands, that's what the market will get.
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Fri, 18 April 2008 12:50 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 14:51 |
I can't say that I have hatred for EA when they decided to come out with this lovely game.
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Heh. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I think that's a great idea... lets hope it sticks around, unlike the ad-supported Far-Cry games where selfish retards bypassed the ad-system and ruined it for the rest of us.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #326721 is a reply to message #326704] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 14:52 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 16:14 |
I would LOVE EA, if only they included an AOW mode in either Tiberium, future update or even an expansion. I'd buy 3-5 copies of it. And im sure atleast at that point all of us would, thats 10-15,000+ sales just for adding a game mode. thats why I think theres a slight chance they will do it.
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Yeah if they did a C&C mode like Renegade's (with PTs, MCTs, buildings, defenses, credits, etc.) then I think they'd win the hand of the Renegade community. It'd be a big success - and the game would be sure to last a long time through this community.
Though, Apoc said that this was never meant to be a sequel of Renegade, or even in the C&C series, but rather its own series. I just hope it's not too late for EALA could throw in a C&C mode. But from reading the interviews and such, it seems like the EALA team really doesn't like C&C mode.
It would've been nice if they told us about Tiberium a year or two ago (it's been in development for over 2 years), because then we'd be able to give in some input and opinion as a community.
Instead of going "sorry, it's too late now!"
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Fri, 18 April 2008 20:27 |
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| {SB}Lone0001 wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 17:58 |
It's not just Tiberium as I stated in a post on the first page, it's all the new C&Cish games that are coming out Tiberium, RA3, and who knows what game they are working on now and not telling us knowing EA I would assume it's another Generals in otherwords another instant fail like RA3.
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TBH, Generals was a very smart EA decision marketing/business-wise. People just hate it for the wrong reasons.
If you looked into the RTS market at the dawn of the new century, you will see there were very few RTS games that were based on modern units in a "modern warfare" theme with units all taken from current military arsenals. Actually, there were many but only a few were successful.
Generals was one of those solid, sharp, RTS games touting good units with a modern theme. It was just what the common RTS market needed.
For better or for worse, I think it should be accepted that C&C is a brand...not a story of it's own (not anymore). And that's Westwood's fault anyway.
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Fri, 18 April 2008 22:36 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 12:16 |
I dislike EA because it seems they make stupid last minute decisions.
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Killing Westwood because Renegade wasn't selling right off the bat as much as they wanted.
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I might be wrong with this but didn't Westwood die BEFORE Renegade was released? Meaning EA canceled (or took over) development and sales had nothing to do with it..
| Jerad Gray wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 12:16 |
Also their developers also make stupid last minute decisions.
EX:
In CnC3 they removed the walls, the way you build buildings is to quick, one engineer to capture a building (which in the original games I kind of liked but without walls and the retarded building method an engineer captures just one of your buildings and 10 seconds later GDI has 50 of their sonic turrets deployed in your base, and your construction yard is dead). Also the base defenses are under armored and relatively weak, virtually building them is just a waist of money.
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Well actually it wasn't a last minute decision and I support it 100%. It is a reasonable excuse too. The building system in TW is a free-build system meaning you can build anywhere there is flat accessible terrain. This causes a problem with structures that aren't structures (i.e. Walls). The AI pathfinding gets screwed up and messes up the game. They did have walls in the game up until the final stages but the pathfinding just wouldn't work right. You can see how it screws up in all the wall mods that are out there. I would rather have a game that works rather than looks pretty.
However in Red Alert 3, they are going back to the grid system they had in the past games, except now it is in 3d. The grid system helps pathfinding a lot and allows walls to be in. APOC recently said that walls will be in.
But as for TW, I know I really wanted walls to be in it, but I support them not putting them in because I know they don't work. And lengthening development just to fix some walls bugs seems kind of dumb to me. At least they left the code in the game for modders..
And also at the quote that was quoted in the above post: Generals sucked all forms of failure. As a C&C and as an RTS in general.
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 12:58 |
1. EA games if far behind the standard of excellence. They use the SAGE engine for anything they possibly can and this is worsened by the fact that it wasn't that good of an engine to begin with, let alone be using in 2002+
They have no desire to update or keep with the times, they add a new lighting module and truck on. Games like Bioshock, HL2: Ep2 and Call of Duty 4 are all using the latest and greatest, while EA is using a engine coded in the 90's and is soon to be a decade old.
2. Reluctance to add any decent gaming standards. Play some Company of Heroes and then play C&C3, you will think that C&C3 is just a mod of some really dusty RTS to have better graphics. There are 2 buttons and not much you can do with them, features like tank facing and queued commands should be a standard in any RTS but EA feels that the genre should remain in the past. With the lack of needing any strategy in any EA RTS, the game is very hollow. You build a crap load of harvesters, pick you out a spot for your mass o' war factories and blindly send any unit until the opposing team is dead. No need to worry about classes really, anything will do as long as its not AA only.
3. Test your games before you release them. Seriously, what's C&C3 up to now? (9?) patches? The game was better before you patched the crap out of it, the whole construction mechanics have been re-vamped. Before you start changing a major game play mechanic you might want to stop and think how people would feel about this.
4. Get better plots and stories. Kane blows, Tiberium blows and Scrin blows. Tiberian Sun was the worst game to ever hit C&C and you just rolled with it. I thought nothing could get the series more off-track than Red Alert 2 but by god Westwood, you ruined it all. The only good thing about a company buying out a legacy chain would be to take it back to the golden days and un-do what the original company did but neh, EA continued on with the failure. What do you think RA3 will be like? Good? Well it wont, it will be just like C&C3 and that gayfer future crap. RA is about WW2 but I bet EA will go with a WW3 aspect to make sure they make it all tiberium and futuristic. I have no problem with the Sci-Fi, Tesla Coils, Chrono Tanks etc etc is what made RA:R the best damn C&C to ever hit the shelves.
5. Monopoly. EA at this rate will be the #1 game developer on the market despite their (1-4). They buy all the companies they can and soon they will have no competition at all, the only games we will get are the EA trash they decided to make in under a year. Graphics you ask? Well it will be the SAGE or now the SAGE+ engine called RNA that is just...uhg. Let it die, license the Company of Heroes engine and spend more than 12 months making a game (or mod I should say in their case, they don't actually make games).
6. As long as they buy it, who cares what they want. All of you are enablers, its all crap and you people just keep buying it. I pirate everything they put out and it's not even worth my internet bill for this junk. They don't care about the fans, they make what they want and to hell with everything else. Look up C&C Tiberium, any real info or means to voice your opinion? I personally despise the idea of a control point C&C and I'm sure that the majority of people don't want C&C to turn into Warhammer. They will make this game, release a screenshot or two and ship it out. They don't even give a crap about the players at all and you people let them do it.
7. What can be done? My avatar, EA Headquarters (All of them) and a date/time. Lets make it happen people.
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you can refute your entire rant by quoting one of your own phrases:
| Oblivion165 wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 12:58 |
I pirate everything they put out
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kinda like some scrub on welfare complaining about the government
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Correction* I am now pirating everything they put out after I bought C&C3.
And it depends on what the "scrub" is complaining about.
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I might be wrong with this but didn't Westwood die BEFORE Renegade was released? Meaning EA canceled (or took over) development and sales had nothing to do with it..
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Actually, Westwood was still around after Renegade. They released patches and such, which added the maps and flying units.
Westwood wasn't disbanded until after they presented C&C Renegade 2 to EA (and had done considerable work on C&C3: Tiberian Twilight and C&C Continuum)
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Sat, 19 April 2008 11:27 |
Correction* I am now pirating everything they put out after I bought C&C3.
And it depends on what the "scrub" is complaining about.
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ok, so buying one product from a company and not liking it gives you the right to steal all their other products in the hope you'll like one of them?
dipshit.
you know, you're worse than you make EA out to be. WAH WAAAH THEY ONLY WANT MONEY. they're a company, of course they want to make money, they want to release games a lot of people will like so a lot of people will buy them.
that > you, since you think you're entitled to their games for free, no matter how much they spent actually producing the damn things.
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| Re: Do You Like E.A. Games?. I Think. [message #326811 is a reply to message #326325] |
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I agree with most of Oblivions rants except for the Tiberian Sun part... I thought it was pretty damn good to be honest. However, they MAJORLY fucked up C&C3, both story-wise and gameplay wise. Alot of the teams just seem to be "same shit, slightly different". Everything has some form of close equivilent  .
And also, spoony, to be honest, would it be better for him to complain "OMFG I AM NEVER BUYING THEIR GAMES AGAIN", then he ends up buying them again?
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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why do you ask? it's got nothing to do with what I said.
since you asked, however; yes, it would
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