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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 16:05 |
In my opinion, Renegade doesn't need mods to survive. Hell, though mods are fun, it would be better if they didn't exsisted. This may sound weird, but take in to consideration that everyone that plays a mod:
1. has Renegade
2. does not actually play renegade.
for this reason we could argue that mods actually causes the community to split and thus will further increase the chancesof it dieing.
Note that I am not saying that the mods are bad or anything, they are surely enjoyable for one or two times (IMHO), but still...
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That is quite true. You can already see this from the way APB players refer to Renegade (Renegay?). Some people are just obsessed with the mods (actually, there's only one big mod out now).
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #326387 is a reply to message #326161] |
Wed, 16 April 2008 05:29 |
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Unless Tiberium is seriously good, we will outlive it, so long as we can get Renegade to work on Vista (Done) and with newer hardware (X9, X10 - also done).
Tiberium is going to have to be good, or else we'll all just register on the Tiberium official forums and point out that Renegade is cheaper and better. 
Edit - EvilWhiteDragon, what is your sig about?!
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the hell is that?
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Wed, 16 April 2008 05:58 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 14:29 |
Unless Tiberium is seriously good, we will outlive it, so long as we can get Renegade to work on Vista (Done) and with newer hardware (X9, X10 - also done).
Tiberium is going to have to be good, or else we'll all just register on the Tiberium official forums and point out that Renegade is cheaper and better.
Edit - EvilWhiteDragon, what is your sig about?!
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About tiberium, I expect it to be another BF clone, so that should be no problem then.
And my signature is based on the banner of some cheat site, and I found the cheat ftw or something funny, but since I am against online cheating (offline is your own bussiness) I changed it a bit. Specially in such a way that it would better display the gayness of cheating.
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #326397 is a reply to message #326161] |
Wed, 16 April 2008 07:10 |
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I just got confused with the fact it had blankintel.org written on it. Ah well.
Edit - You're right, I did have a hard time spotting that pink writing. lol
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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the hell is that?
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #326452 is a reply to message #326161] |
Wed, 16 April 2008 13:36 |
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I just don't like the fact that the developers of Tiberium are ignoring and even criticizing C&C mode. I remember reading in an interview with EA about Tiberium, where one of them said Renegade was not even a true C&C game.
Well I think Renegade's multiplayer is a lot closer to C&C than Tiberium is... from the interviews it sounds like a Battlefield 2142 clone. So that kind of rules it out from being a Renegade-type game. I just hope EA makes another C&C-mode game later on, but I imagine that wouldn't be for a long time.
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Wed, 16 April 2008 13:40 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 03:05 |
This may sound weird, but take in to consideration that everyone that plays a mod:
1. has Renegade
2. does not actually play renegade.
for this reason we could argue that mods actually causes the community to split and thus will further increase the chancesof it dieing.
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that's an excellent point.
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #326478 is a reply to message #326161] |
Wed, 16 April 2008 15:49 |
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I'm just curious. I'm sure this has been debated plenty of times already, but what exactly does constitute a proper C&C Game?
And that's an interesting point raised earlier about the Mod's possibly causing a rift within the community. I just lumped the mods in with Renegade because they were spurred by Ren, and run on its engine; just a slightly different flavor.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 17:12 |
They themself also said that they wouldn't call Tberium a C&C game, so they are probably not being total hypocrites. I just hope that they understand that games like generals and IMHO C&C3 should not have been called C&C games.
/me is still wating for a proper C&C game, ether RTS or FPS, but don't believe Tberium will be one.
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by what argument is C&C3 not a C&C game?
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #326494 is a reply to message #326161] |
Wed, 16 April 2008 19:13 |
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Someone else already said this, but THERE IS NONE. This is why we all stick to Renegade. It's old, buggy, and not graphically superior, but it has what matters. Gameplay. It's gaeplay isn't only there, but it's the best. It's surprising developers don't note this. Sure, the playerbase isn't millions, and there are games that TRY to immiate it in small ways (and fail making the developer think the idea is bad), but I'm waiting for the real successor with real support done the real way (preferably in the form of Renegade 2). THAT WOULDN'T FAIL.
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Chuck Norris got it right.
It's actually uncommon for a community from a game that had poor sales is still around, with things like regulators, mods, patches, anti-cheat systems, etc. Renegade never sold too many copies, but it has such a dedicated fanbase, which has outlived so many others games.
Just shows you that gameplay alone can carry a game community a long way.
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Fri, 18 April 2008 04:34 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 09:05 |
In my opinion, Renegade doesn't need mods to survive. Hell, though mods are fun, it would be better if they didn't exsisted. This may sound weird, but take in to consideration that everyone that plays a mod:
1. has Renegade
2. does not actually play renegade.
for this reason we could argue that mods actually causes the community to split and thus will further increase the chancesof it dieing.
Note that I am not saying that the mods are bad or anything, they are surely enjoyable for one or two times (IMHO), but still...
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Yeah well, to many people, Renegade is old news, the mods provide something new and fresh to bring the punters back to the community as well as spawn a load of new ones. I woudln't even class some of the mod as even part for the renegade community anymore since everything went standalone.
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #326640 is a reply to message #326621] |
Fri, 18 April 2008 08:13 |
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| One Winged Angel wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 13:34 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 09:05 |
In my opinion, Renegade doesn't need mods to survive. Hell, though mods are fun, it would be better if they didn't exsisted. This may sound weird, but take in to consideration that everyone that plays a mod:
1. has Renegade
2. does not actually play renegade.
for this reason we could argue that mods actually causes the community to split and thus will further increase the chancesof it dieing.
Note that I am not saying that the mods are bad or anything, they are surely enjoyable for one or two times (IMHO), but still...
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Yeah well, to many people, Renegade is old news, the mods provide something new and fresh to bring the punters back to the community as well as spawn a load of new ones. I woudln't even class some of the mod as even part for the renegade community anymore since everything went standalone.
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Even for the "standalone" stuff you still need a valid serial to play online by WOL, thus it is still not a standalone IMHO.
And as some people stated, they do not play ren anymore because they think a mod is better.
While they are allowed to have their own opinions, it does make clear that the chances are that they would play ren, if it wasn't for some mod.
Thus we have to conclude that the mods do certainly have a negative effect on renegade.
You may argue about the size of the negative effect, but it is certainly there.
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #327040 is a reply to message #326640] |
Mon, 21 April 2008 07:49 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 16:13 |
| One Winged Angel wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 13:34 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 09:05 |
In my opinion, Renegade doesn't need mods to survive. Hell, though mods are fun, it would be better if they didn't exsisted. This may sound weird, but take in to consideration that everyone that plays a mod:
1. has Renegade
2. does not actually play renegade.
for this reason we could argue that mods actually causes the community to split and thus will further increase the chancesof it dieing.
Note that I am not saying that the mods are bad or anything, they are surely enjoyable for one or two times (IMHO), but still...
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Yeah well, to many people, Renegade is old news, the mods provide something new and fresh to bring the punters back to the community as well as spawn a load of new ones. I woudln't even class some of the mod as even part for the renegade community anymore since everything went standalone.
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Even for the "standalone" stuff you still need a valid serial to play online by WOL, thus it is still not a standalone IMHO.
And as some people stated, they do not play ren anymore because they think a mod is better.
While they are allowed to have their own opinions, it does make clear that the chances are that they would play ren, if it wasn't for some mod.
Thus we have to conclude that the mods do certainly have a negative effect on renegade.
You may argue about the size of the negative effect, but it is certainly there.
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I agree, the negative effect is certainly there. Your sttement about needing WOL to connect is false, since everyone direct connects these days, which skips the verification, therefore you don't need a serial.
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| Re: MP games like renegade? [message #327201 is a reply to message #327040] |
Mon, 21 April 2008 23:55 |
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| One Winged Angel wrote on Mon, 21 April 2008 16:49 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 16:13 |
| One Winged Angel wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 13:34 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 09:05 |
In my opinion, Renegade doesn't need mods to survive. Hell, though mods are fun, it would be better if they didn't exsisted. This may sound weird, but take in to consideration that everyone that plays a mod:
1. has Renegade
2. does not actually play renegade.
for this reason we could argue that mods actually causes the community to split and thus will further increase the chancesof it dieing.
Note that I am not saying that the mods are bad or anything, they are surely enjoyable for one or two times (IMHO), but still...
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Yeah well, to many people, Renegade is old news, the mods provide something new and fresh to bring the punters back to the community as well as spawn a load of new ones. I woudln't even class some of the mod as even part for the renegade community anymore since everything went standalone.
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Even for the "standalone" stuff you still need a valid serial to play online by WOL, thus it is still not a standalone IMHO.
And as some people stated, they do not play ren anymore because they think a mod is better.
While they are allowed to have their own opinions, it does make clear that the chances are that they would play ren, if it wasn't for some mod.
Thus we have to conclude that the mods do certainly have a negative effect on renegade.
You may argue about the size of the negative effect, but it is certainly there.
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I agree, the negative effect is certainly there. Your sttement about needing WOL to connect is false, since everyone direct connects these days, which skips the verification, therefore you don't need a serial.
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Perhaps everyone uses DC with some mods, but it is certainly not the only thing. I know for 100% sure that WOL/XWIS is still very much alive and being used. Our server for ex. only allows XWIS players to join, simply because only by XWIS serials can be validated. Without that validation it makes cheating so much easier, and you can wait till the day comes that cheaters find out that the mods are really totally defenceless against even the most stupid and simple kind of cheats: damage hacks.
With the serial validation you have at least 1 thing you can ban on for sure, and it won't change, or it won't change often.
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