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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321568 is a reply to message #321492] Mon, 10 March 2008 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:55


You're missing the point here.

Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2.

Read, before you comment, in future.

(And to cnc95fan, read also)



Seriously, what do you have against RP2?
Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321574 is a reply to message #321568] Mon, 10 March 2008 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:55


You're missing the point here.

Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2.

Read, before you comment, in future.

(And to cnc95fan, read also)


*Acts like a complete retard*
Or we could just copy the game.exe and rename it gamerp2.exe and patch that...
[/retard]
Oh wait that would work.


Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321604 is a reply to message #320216] Tue, 11 March 2008 00:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So EA only offered a public release? EA are doing nothing for this game, they may as well do themselves a fucking favour and give the code to BHS, and then they can "wash their hands" of this game, which suits us as much as them.


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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321614 is a reply to message #321568] Tue, 11 March 2008 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 01:56

Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 14:55


You're missing the point here.

Remember that game patches are required by ALL players, so if you patch the game and do whatever to it, EVERYONE who wants to play on that server will need said patch, and i don't know about you but i'm not installing two versions of Renegade just to play RP2.

Read, before you comment, in future.

(And to cnc95fan, read also)



Seriously, what do you have against RP2?


Nothing, nothing at all.
Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321629 is a reply to message #321507] Tue, 11 March 2008 03:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 21:58


You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. Thumbs Up

Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge and the giant ants faction here. Thumbs Up Also if you think that Giant Squids with proper collisions are a walk in the park, think again. But it's not limited to just that Wink



Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321643 is a reply to message #321629] Tue, 11 March 2008 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 05:59

cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 21:58


You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. Thumbs Up

Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge and the giant ants faction here. Thumbs Up Also if you think that Giant Squids with proper collisions are a walk in the park, think again. But it's not limited to just that Wink




Three sides.

Nope it wont work mayby it works enigine technically but in the gameplay it will probably be a downside.

Especially if it are three mainsides (i know that you need three to be true to the E:BFD story)

I have never really seen a fps with three fractions battleing each other.

Besides that you will need a lot of players it will start as 1 vs 1 vs 1

To have an avarage ren game you would require 12 people?
(in your mod 4 vs 4 vs 4)

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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321671 is a reply to message #321629] Tue, 11 March 2008 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59


Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge

Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. Sarcasm

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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321672 is a reply to message #321643] Tue, 11 March 2008 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reaver11 wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 08:54

One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 05:59

cnc95fan wrote on Mon, 10 March 2008 21:58


You're missing the point. There isn't much in RA and RA2 that can't be accomplished in Renegade with scripts easily. When you look at E:BFD you will noticed 3 sides, and sub sides. Thumbs Up

Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge and the giant ants faction here. Thumbs Up Also if you think that Giant Squids with proper collisions are a walk in the park, think again. But it's not limited to just that Wink




Three sides.

Nope it wont work mayby it works enigine technically but in the gameplay it will probably be a downside.

Especially if it are three mainsides (i know that you need three to be true to the E:BFD story)

I have never really seen a fps with three fractions battleing each other.

Besides that you will need a lot of players it will start as 1 vs 1 vs 1

To have an avarage ren game you would require 12 people?
(in your mod 4 vs 4 vs 4)

Oh dear gawd, the score screen won't display which team won correctly, there is no way gameplay can work without the score screen. You won't be able to choose your team either... oh wait, most of the time the servers don't let you change your team anyways, so that can't be whats ruining the game play... hmmm, we already know there are ways to work around the pt, so I think you best explain how it will be a down side.


Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321722 is a reply to message #320216] Tue, 11 March 2008 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He means in gameplay. Not technically. I agree that although 3 sides might be cool, it is uncertain whether it would improve gameplay. In some aspects probably, but there might be some severe disadvantages as well. (What happens when one team is killed for example? Gameover? Wait? Its players join the other team?)

Those things might cause trouble, and it is not unlikely that gameplay will be better with 2 teams than with 3. (Although it would be nice to experiment with it anyway)


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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321752 is a reply to message #321722] Tue, 11 March 2008 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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StealthEye wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 14:31

He means in gameplay. Not technically. I agree that although 3 sides might be cool, it is uncertain whether it would improve gameplay. In some aspects probably, but there might be some severe disadvantages as well. (What happens when one team is killed for example? Gameover? Wait? Its players join the other team?)

Those things might cause trouble, and it is not unlikely that gameplay will be better with 2 teams than with 3. (Although it would be nice to experiment with it anyway)


I just mean it as StealthEye said it, I know the most is possible technically.

Although at the moment I see more problems(Just as in StealthEye's quote) mayby it is good to wait and see how it works out.

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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321777 is a reply to message #321671] Wed, 12 March 2008 01:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55

One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59


Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge

Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. Sarcasm

You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on.

Oh and fix your quote tags. Thumbs Up


Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321823 is a reply to message #321777] Wed, 12 March 2008 08:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 02:45

cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55

One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59


Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge

Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. Sarcasm

You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on.

Oh and fix your quote tags. Thumbs Up


I don't remeber using the word assume. You told me yourself, after I had asked you a long while back, when I was with SCUD Storm, had BHP accomplished the third side at all.. You told me that Yuri was not going to be added.
Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321889 is a reply to message #321823] Wed, 12 March 2008 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cnc95fan wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 15:32

One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 02:45

cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55

One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59


Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge

Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. Sarcasm

You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on.

Oh and fix your quote tags. Thumbs Up


I don't remeber using the word assume. You told me yourself, after I had asked you a long while back, when I was with SCUD Storm, had BHP accomplished the third side at all.. You told me that Yuri was not going to be added.

Take a look at my previous post.


Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #321890 is a reply to message #321889] Wed, 12 March 2008 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 15:39

cnc95fan wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 15:32

One Winged Angel wrote on Wed, 12 March 2008 02:45

cnc95fan wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 17:55

One Winged Angel wrote on Tue, 11 March 2008 04:59


Oh really now? I think you are forgetting Yuri's Revenge

Hmm? If my memory serves me correctly, (which it always does) you had no intention of adding Yuri's side into AR. Sarcasm

You'd be a fool to assume things that you aren't 200% sure on.

Oh and fix your quote tags. Thumbs Up


I don't remeber using the word assume. You told me yourself, after I had asked you a long while back, when I was with SCUD Storm, had BHP accomplished the third side at all.. You told me that Yuri was not going to be added.

Take a look at my previous post.

Sorry, quote tags fixed.
Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #322188 is a reply to message #320216] Fri, 14 March 2008 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is a good idea, and it completely outweighs the downsides.

Cheating in Renegade is not that bad. If someone cheats, you can stop them. It is easy to tell who is cheating and what they are using.. a simple kick is in order. There are even ways to test if that person is cheating.

Even more over, the community based anti-cheat Renguard handles some of the stuff. But a game like Renegade is relatively clean with cheats when compared to other games out there.

Not to mention that by having the source code, we can further prevent some cheats from happening. Especially in the new mods out, like Reborn, APB and AR. It would really be a Renegade 2, and not simply a Renegade mod.
Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #322209 is a reply to message #320216] Fri, 14 March 2008 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If everyone has access to the source, expect totally undetectable cheats. Saying cheating is easy to detect now isn't true at all. Yes, final renegade stuff is, but double-RoF is hard, and even more subtle things are even worse.

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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #322211 is a reply to message #320216] Fri, 14 March 2008 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They never release the Renegade Source
Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #322262 is a reply to message #322211] Fri, 14 March 2008 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MadRockz wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 13:28

They never release the Renegade Source


They already e-mailed it to Crimson! This topic is a diversion!


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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #322326 is a reply to message #322262] Sat, 15 March 2008 06:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 18:23

MadRockz wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 13:28

They never release the Renegade Source


They already e-mailed it to Crimson! This topic is a diversion!

WOOOOOOOT NOBODY SHOULD GET IT! NORMAL RENEGADE STILL THE BEST!
Go home, Reborn, APB, etc.
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EA WILL NEVER GIVE THE SOURCE CODE AWAY BECAUSE THEY STILL USE A HIGHLY MODIFIED VERSION IN THEIR NEW C&C STRATEGY GAMES, AND WOULD NEVER WANT TO GIVE COMPETITION AN EDGE![/caps lock]

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Jerad Gray wrote on Sun, 16 March 2008 00:46

EA WILL NEVER GIVE THE SOURCE CODE AWAY BECAUSE THEY STILL USE A HIGHLY MODIFIED VERSION IN THEIR NEW C&C STRATEGY GAMES, AND WOULD NEVER WANT TO GIVE COMPETITION AN EDGE![/caps lock]

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Yeah
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MadRockz wrote on Sat, 15 March 2008 13:24

Go home, Reborn, APB, etc.

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Re: CNC_Renegade Source Code release [message #322578 is a reply to message #320216] Mon, 17 March 2008 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42



Cheating in Renegade is not that bad.


What the fuck are you smoking?

R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42

If someone cheats, you can stop them. It is easy to tell who is cheating and what they are using.. a simple kick is in order.


Most servers ban cheaters!

R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42

There are even ways to test if that person is cheating.


Ever heard of panic buttons?

R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42

Even more over, the community based anti-cheat Renguard handles some of the stuff. But a game like Renegade is relatively clean with cheats when compared to other games out there.


Again what the fuck are you smoking?

R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 14 March 2008 16:42

Not to mention that by having the source code, we can further prevent some cheats from happening. Especially in the new mods out, like Reborn, APB and AR. It would really be a Renegade 2, and not simply a Renegade mod.


You take a sensible pill half way through?

I agree that EA would not release that source code while some of their other game platforms are based on the same or similar code.


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MadRockz wrote on Mon, 17 March 2008 16:18

Hope APOC will not sucks like Reborn, APB and Sadukar Sarcasm

The C&C community manager is a nice guy isn't he.


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