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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 01:17 |
See, here's the thing about Capitalism... it fixes its own problems.
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I lol'd.
If this were true, you'd like after capitalism has been around so long it would have fixed all our problems by now.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314020 is a reply to message #313738] |
Sun, 27 January 2008 07:20 |
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It really should be a case of the best man for the job, especially in dangerous jobs like this one. If I was a fireman (black or white) I would want the man who was best for the job covering me whilst my life was in danger. You're a team, you put your life in your teams hands. I wouldn't feel safe knowing that one of the team got his job even though he was not best for it, just because of the color of his skin.
It's especially important in jobs that provide such an important life saving role. Imagine losing a partner, a loved one, a mum or dad, a child to a fire that could of been handled allot better, but wasn't because the right man didn't get the job. I would be pretty pissed.
Same goes for any job really, I don't want to "carry" some asshole who isn't good at there job, they only got there position because my employer needed to fill there quota of ethnics or women or handicap people.
Why the hell should I work harder, get more stressed and have more crap dumped on me because the dumb-ass next to me isn't up to scratch?
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314030 is a reply to message #313738] |
Sun, 27 January 2008 09:18 |
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This infuriates me- Why the fuck is it that white people are oh-so-racist, yet it's perfectly a-ok to put lives in danger because you don't want to offend people?
Uh oh, I'm offended! Oh wait, I'm just a white person, pay no mind.
I find it almost hilarious how apperently black people are soo "repressed" and how "the man brings them down" and shit.
I'm willing to bet that if it were any other race than black that's being offended, no one would care.
This better be some sort of joke, because I can't see how people can be THAT retarded and hypocritical.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314094 is a reply to message #313738] |
Sun, 27 January 2008 15:41 |
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People are taking racism too seriously. People are afraid to say anything out against the Muslims incase they do whatever to you. About a year ago, several newspapers (in Europe) had to give an apology to the Muslims for drawing an image of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban. If it was Jesus with.. poison wine noone would give a shit. GTFO you UBER sensitive people.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314105 is a reply to message #314020] |
Sun, 27 January 2008 16:21 |
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| nearly everyone wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 07:20 |
It really should be a case of the best man for the job
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I totally agree, but the problem is, how do you "police" that? Say I am a racist bastard, and I own a company, and there are no affirmative action laws...I will just hire all white guys and say that "sadly, every black man we interviewed was not qualified". Which is exactly what happened in the past, so the govt stepped in (at the request of THE PEOPLE), and passed a law saying that everyone, including mister racist bastard, must hire at least X number of minorities. This ensures they have a chance of getting the same jobs that white people do, without being discriminated against because of their race.
Yes, I agree its sad and stupid that we have to have such a law just for human beings to treat each other equally, but as I keep saying, such is the nature of the human race, and laws like this will continue until we evolve into a more civilized race instead of the hate-mongers that we are now.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314201 is a reply to message #314105] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 01:01 |
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| Blazer wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 17:21 |
I totally agree, but the problem is, how do you "police" that? Say I am a racist bastard, and I own a company, and there are no affirmative action laws...I will just hire all white guys and say that "sadly, every black man we interviewed was not qualified".
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So? If people perceive you as obviously racist, they'll take their business elsewhere and you'll suffer for the choice you made. Government intervention here is stupid and counterproductive.
| Blazer wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 17:21 |
This ensures they have a chance of getting the same jobs that white people do, without being discriminated against because of their race.
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Yep, the only people who need fear about being discriminated against because of their race are white people.
| Blazer wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 17:21 |
Yes, I agree its sad and stupid that we have to have such a law just for human beings to treat each other equally, but as I keep saying, such is the nature of the human race, and laws like this will continue until we evolve into a more civilized race instead of the hate-mongers that we are now.
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And the more racial tension caused by ridiculous, counterproductive and hypocritical laws like this, the longer that'll take.
I also object to the generalisation that we're all hate-mongers. I dislike racism, but I reject the idea that it's a crime. If you don't wanna hire a black person, I won't try to force you to, I'll just buy whatever the fuck you sell from somewhere else.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314210 is a reply to message #313738] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 02:54 |
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Why do people have to talk about "the goverment" like its some out of control evil conglomerate that is bent on controlling us all? What you call "goverment intervention" is what is also known as "laws".
These "laws" are not arbitrarily handed down by some shadow authority, they are conceived by, and voted upon by, THE PEOPLE. That's right...these laws that you consider "intervention", are actually an extension of the will of the majority. If you do not agree with the law, you can vote against it...but if it passes you should accept that it's the way your fellow peers want things run.
Instead of blaming the big bad govt for forcing businesses to not have racist hiring practices, consider what all has to happen for a law to go into effect. We the people run the government, not the other way around.
Also don't forget that "you cannot please all of the people, all of the time". So you and quite a few others may be violently against something, and have very valid reasons, but if ten thousand times your number think otherwise, yes it sucks for you and you are just out of luck.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314216 is a reply to message #314210] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 03:18 |
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| Blazer wrote on Mon, 28 January 2008 03:54 |
Why do people have to talk about "the goverment" like its some out of control evil conglomerate that is bent on controlling us all? What you call "goverment intervention" is what is also known as "laws".
These "laws" are not arbitrarily handed down by some shadow authority, they are conceived by, and voted upon by, THE PEOPLE. That's right...these laws that you consider "intervention", are actually an extension of the will of the majority.
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It would be nice if that were true, wouldn't it?
| Blazer wrote on Mon, 28 January 2008 03:54 |
Instead of blaming the big bad govt for forcing businesses to not have racist hiring practices, consider what all has to happen for a law to go into effect. We the people run the government, not the other way around.
Also don't forget that "you cannot please all of the people, all of the time". So you and quite a few others may be violently against something, and have very valid reasons, but if ten thousand times your number think otherwise, yes it sucks for you and you are just out of luck.
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I'd be very surprised if you could find ten thousand British people who agree with affirmative action. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find at least half the population - thirty million, say - who see it for the bullshit it is.
We do not live in a proper democracy here. The three major parties all support the nonsense that is affirmative action. Off the top of my head I can only think of one party who doesn't, and the three major parties conspire to make sure they never get elected.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314267 is a reply to message #314220] |
Mon, 28 January 2008 09:39 |
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| Blazer wrote on Mon, 28 January 2008 04:36 |
TBH I'd guess there is a LOT less racism where you live than in the US. I forgot that you were in the UK, now I understand why your stance is as so. I usually find it amusing when people from outside of the US criticize US laws and govt when they do not have a full understanding of them...not saying that you don't, but you obviously have a skewed idea of what racism is like here. Sad to say but it's a lot worse than you think, thus the laws.
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Why would you think I was talking about US laws rather than UK?
And no, there isn't less racism in the UK than over there, I daresay a full 50% of the mosques over there aren't funded or run by terrorists.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #314680 is a reply to message #313738] |
Wed, 30 January 2008 15:29 |
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the thing that pisses me off the most is in states that adopt this law that requires companies to have a certain percentage of minorities, the people that they hire know that they are there in part to make the company meet its racial quota. thus they know its going to be alot harder for the employer to fire them if they do not perform their tasks since that employer will now have to hire another member of a minority in order to still meet the necessary racial mix percentage. what im trying to say is that since this is implemented it sort of protects the minorities from getting fired, thus giving them more freedoms do get away with more than any white person could. so some people end up doing half of the work of a what a normal employee does because they have higher job security and they are not scared to get fired for taking a 30 minute break instead of the 15 allowed, and so on.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #317978 is a reply to message #313738] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 11:44 |
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How about this for the flip side.
In Orange County, California, white people are the minority. But guess what, those affirmitive action laws don't reflect when that happens.
It is an outdated law that was made at a time when it was needed, today it is a slap in the face to any honest business. "I can't hire JOe because i need a black guy", even though Joe might be the #1 person in his field, do you fire Tim so you can hire Joe?
If people crawled out of thier small towns around the country, they would see that racism is generally happening to the stereotypes of the country. YES there are many exceptions where people get in bad situations, but there are groups in all races that will attack another (Black Gangs, Mexican Gangs, Asian Gangs, White Gangs, etc... "Ese and Homeboy" are still being treated like so while the regular guys (i say this case that is what they are to me) are getting good jobs regardless or race. My boss, the VP of Software Development, is mexican. Our #3 salesman is black. You know what they are to everyone else, except the "good ol boys"? People.
The problem is, the people with money in this country, who end up running for office, are still "good ol boys", and until that changes, these assinine laws that keep racism in our brains are going to stay.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #317992 is a reply to message #313738] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 12:50 |
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Same thing happens in the military today. If a white male wants to drop out during the recruitment or training process, they get the boot no questions asked. If a female or visible minority wants to drop out they meet with the CO and he pleads with them to stay, or even offers incentives.
Now I'm not racist, nor am I saying that every white male was perfect during some of my courses, but majority of these visible minorities visibly sucked at what they were doing, and it sucked that they got better treatment. I guess sooner or later they'll meet a CO that doesn't give a shit about numbers though.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #319627 is a reply to message #319489] |
Thu, 28 February 2008 15:13 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 28 February 2008 01:30 |
New law: Everyone must marry and have kids from someone in a different race, that way in 800 years there won't be any diversity. *wakes up from his dream*
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No need for that law as interracial marriages are on the rise but I doubt they will make a big difference.
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| Re: Ban on white men becoming firefighters [message #322672 is a reply to message #314000] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 19:31 |
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| Dover wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 06:37 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 27 January 2008 01:17 |
See, here's the thing about Capitalism... it fixes its own problems.
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I lol'd.
If this were true, you'd like after capitalism has been around so long it would have fixed all our problems by now.
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Thats because the government interferes in economics and several other reasons.
but really the way some of you talk makes me think you have never taken a class on economics and government.
btw I agree with the majority ex, "Positive" discrimination is still discrimination!
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