| Building comp (parts) [message #317857] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 17:46  |
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ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard $134.99
APEVIA ATX-AS520W-BK ATX 520W Power Supply $59.99
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX $159.99
4 gigs ram $93.98
MSI NX8600GTS-T2D256E-OC GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card $132.99 x2
= $265.98
That's the main stuff, just wanted to get some oppinions on whether it sounds good or if there's some better stuff I could get (but still decent price).
UPDATE 2/19: Alright, I've come up with a quad core comp and I got a better video card, I'll likely only get one of them to begin with though.
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
AMD Phenom 9500 Agena 2.2GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HD9500WCGDBOX
OCZ Gold 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2G8004GK
APEVIA ATX-AS520W-BK ATX 520W Power Supply
Update 2/20: Back to the duel core. Here is what I'm currently looking at.
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail
OCZ Gold 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2G8004GK - Retail
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UPDATE: 4/24
It's nearing graduation (middle of may) now so I'll be ordering my comp soon.
Last time I did my build it was looking like this
Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813130136
Video card
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814127329
Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817703005
CPU
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819103211
2 x 2 gigs ram
320 GB HD
I found this mobo recently tho that's cheaper and looks pretty good. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128090 . It has an onboard video and I was wondering if that would mess with the video card at all or if it'd be fine.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #317868 is a reply to message #317857] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 18:19  |
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Well I originally had another card picked out which was an ATI card but seems to have disapeared on new egg... BTW does the nvidia chipset not really matter? Or at least do ATI cards work just as good on them?
Edit: Found this video card SAPPHIRE 100213 Radeon HD 2900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - OEM
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #317893 is a reply to message #317858] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 22:46 |
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| Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 17:00 |
If you're going with nvidia cards, go for intel processors.
If you're going with AMD processors, go for ATI cards.
General rule of thumb.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #317902 is a reply to message #317893] |
Mon, 18 February 2008 23:59 |
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| iih3ro wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 16:46 |
| Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 17:00 |
If you're going with nvidia cards, go for intel processors.
If you're going with AMD processors, go for ATI cards.
General rule of thumb.
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Ditto. Just becuase AMD owns ATi now, it doesn't mean you have to pair them up and leave the other two (Intel and nVidia) to be paired. Either or works.
bisen11, a few recommendations.
For the PSU, drop it and get a name brand PSU. That brand is known to be bad.
For the video card, get an 8800GT instead. I have that same video card you're looking at, and while it's not as bad as the 8600 series has a reputation for, I'm getting an 8800GT to replace it (and sell the old one to compensate). It'll perform better than 2x8600GTSs and be slightly cheaper, as well as having double the memory (SLI doesn't double memory). May I recommend the same card I'm getting? It's also MSI and has a better cooling solution than stock 8800GTs do. Good price too. Again, cheaper than the 2x8600GTS AND better performance, with the option to SLI another 8800GT later if you choose to.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127329
For the CPU, get an AMD 5000+ or 5400+ class CPU and overclock it instead. The 6000+ and 6400+ are at the top of the Athlon 64's limits and don't OC very well from what I hear. On the other hand, the 5000+ and 5400+ can be OCed to be the equivalent of the 6000+. You could get a slower one, OC it, and save money. Specifically, this seems to be a great buy for an AMD CPU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103194
The "Black Edition" line of AMD CPUs is the equivalent of Intel's "Extreme" CPUs, that is, it has an unlocked multiplier to get slightly better OCing flexibility. Supposedly, this CPU OCs to 6000+ speeds VERY easily .
It should be a nice rig either way.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #317920 is a reply to message #317857] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 05:10 |
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I heard the Black Edition of AMD processor don't have stock fans...Btw, if you afford it, get the new 45nm Intel Core 2 Duo.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #317942 is a reply to message #317893] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 08:45 |
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| iih3ro wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 05:46 |
| Zion Fox wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 17:00 |
If you're going with nvidia cards, go for intel processors.
If you're going with AMD processors, go for ATI cards.
General rule of thumb.
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Lets just say my MBP with an Intel Core 2 Duo and an ATi Radeon x1600 don't exactly get along well. Compared to my Intel Pentium D and Nvidia 7900GS, which get along fantasticly.
I'm not saying don't do it, just prepare for minor issues if you do (not constant, don't take my word for it).
Many people who have ATi graphics cards have AMD processors, and likewise for Nvidia cards and Intel processors.
If the case of AMD and Nvidia mix, Apple's MacBook Pro 3.0 would have an ATi card, but it has an Nvidia, because there's less issues and workarounds to complete to get them to work.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318037 is a reply to message #317857] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:30 |
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i would like to point out that the asus m2n32- sli deluxe wifi edition motherboard will slow you down if you ever plan on putting a quad core in there, because the quad core processors can go up to 3600mt/s but this motherboard will not go higher than the front bus speed of 2000mt/sec. now for some stupid reason nvidia screwed up the drivers for 8800gt and the fan will stay at 29% and never change unless you use some program to change it, so if you play a demanding game like crysis and not speed up that fan your video card will be toast in no time.
the reason why i know all this is because 6 months ago i built this sustem and i am now pretty dissapointed. the dual core amds use more power than quad core amds and they run hotter than the quad cores. if you ask me just go spend 200$ and buy yourself a 9500 amd quad core processor, it uses only 95W. then go buy yourself the m3a32-mvp deluxe motherboard and since you go to newegg here is the link for ithttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131224, and this is the link for the processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103226
just remember that this motherboard is crossfire chipset, thus putting an ATI card in there is better, and there is one that is better and cheaper than the 8800gt. another good thing about the mvp motherboard is that it supports 1066mhz ram while the m2n32 will only go as high as 800mhz.
the reason why i am telling you this is i built this computer in the fall and even though it can run crysis on high settings and still not lag... my friend built his computer in december using the motherboard, and cpu that i have just suggested. his computer will tear mine apart. i have 5200x2 and he has the 9500 phenom.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318040 is a reply to message #318037] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 16:54 |
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| Romaner wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 18:30 |
i would like to point out that the asus m2n32- sli deluxe wifi edition motherboard will slow you down if you ever plan on putting a quad core in there, because the quad core processors can go up to 3600mt/s but this motherboard will not go higher than the front bus speed of 2000mt/sec. now for some stupid reason nvidia screwed up the drivers for 8800gt and the fan will stay at 29% and never change unless you use some program to change it, so if you play a demanding game like crysis and not speed up that fan your video card will be toast in no time.
the reason why i know all this is because 6 months ago i built this sustem and i am now pretty dissapointed. the dual core amds use more power than quad core amds and they run hotter than the quad cores. if you ask me just go spend 200$ and buy yourself a 9500 amd quad core processor, it uses only 95W. then go buy yourself the m3a32-mvp deluxe motherboard and since you go to newegg here is the link for ithttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131224, and this is the link for the processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103226
just remember that this motherboard is crossfire chipset, thus putting an ATI card in there is better, and there is one that is better and cheaper than the 8800gt. another good thing about the mvp motherboard is that it supports 1066mhz ram while the m2n32 will only go as high as 800mhz.
the reason why i am telling you this is i built this computer in the fall and even though it can run crysis on high settings and still not lag... my friend built his computer in december using the motherboard, and cpu that i have just suggested. his computer will tear mine apart. i have 5200x2 and he has the 9500 phenom.
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I would also like to get more opinions on this. If I should go for a quad core. I'll likely be using this comp for the next several years incase that matters. I figure games will probably use multi cores more effeciently in the future as well.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318043 is a reply to message #317857] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 17:21 |
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you know what, after reading all the reviews on quad core amds on newegg, i would say go with the 6400x2 amd the black box edition, get a good fan for about 20-30$ and you should be fine untill early 2009 when amd is going to release the "fixed" version of their quad core processors. but then again my friends 9500 still beats my 5200x2 so im not sure anymore... i guess more opinions would be nice indeed, i know i am going to stay with this 5200x2 cpu for atleast another year as i dont see it being a bottleneck for my sustem... yet.
but i stand by the mvp mobo that i recommended earlier
and the 8800gt does work ok for me, but for less money you can buy better ati card, so if you do take the mvp mobo make sure to get ati cards.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318046 is a reply to message #317857] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 17:47 |
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the manual that comes with the mobo lists manufacturers and stock part numbers that are guaranteed to work with the mobo.
alternatively you could go for good brands that are pretty much sure to work with any mobo, like crucial, kingston, ocz, etc.
my friend has that mvp mobo coupled with ocz, the ones with black heatsinks on them and i think their are called vista performance ram or something like that. they stay really cool with those heatsinks
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318051 is a reply to message #317857] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 18:23 |
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I think I found some good ram. I'm looking at some more video cards now but the thing that is messing me up is some of them say they interface with PCI express 2.0 x16 slots, this motherboard seems to just have regular PCI x16 slots...
Edit: Nvm, I guess it is 2.0, I guess I must have been looking at the original Mother board.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318090 is a reply to message #317857] |
Tue, 19 February 2008 22:38 |
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what you want is the pci-e 2.0 slots and the better video card i have seen on newegg is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103050
this one has pretty good reviews and rating. one thing you got to remember with these cards is that they are really damn long. they are probably around a foot long if not longer, so a mid size tower like the sonata 3 by antec is as small as you can go. trust me i had to deal with it since the sonata is my case and i had one hell of a time fitting the 8800gt in there. 8800s are about the same size as the 3800 series from ati.
one more thing i would recommend for you when looking for ram is to get it with a heatsink, it might be a little bit more but it will greatly reduce the temps on them and make them last longer cause of that.
btw what mobo are you going with? i assumed you are going with the mvp asus one, thats why i suggested the ati card for you.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318118 is a reply to message #317857] |
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| bisen11 wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 19:46 |
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard $134.99
APEVIA ATX-AS520W-BK ATX 520W Power Supply $59.99
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX $159.99
4 gigs ram $93.98
MSI NX8600GTS-T2D256E-OC GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card $132.99 x2
= $265.98
That's the main stuff, just wanted to get some oppinions on whether it sounds good or if there's some better stuff I could get (but still decent price).
UPDATE 2/19: Alright, I've come up with a quad core comp and I got a better video card, I'll likely only get one of them to begin with though.
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
AMD Phenom 9500 Agena 2.2GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HD9500WCGDBOX
OCZ Gold 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2G8004GK
APEVIA ATX-AS520W-BK ATX 520W Power Supply
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If you ever plan on running VMWARE, or Hyper-V. Then take in consideration that the AMD Phenom 9500 has a TLB Bug.
Also take in note that new motherboards will have a patch applied that give or take, take away 10% performance.
The TLB bug will occur once in a blue moon, but when it happens the system will hang-up. And yes, it does occur, but 99% of the time when running Virtual software.
And the AMD's don't perform as Phenomanal as what they wanted us to believe.
If I was you I would go with a Intel Core 2 Qaud. Q6600 on n45 and 12MB cache, 1333FSB, to be released soon.
- They have VT
- Perform better then the AMD's
- Overclock better incase you wan't to overclock
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318119 is a reply to message #317857] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 04:23 |
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Or get the Phenom 9550, which has been fixed ( should be no perfomance) loss..
Anyways if your spending on a high end sys I would now seriously go with Intel. As they are cooler, better overclockable, better performance. And yes, do get a Qaud core, it won't be long before apps will be designed for it. Qaud is the way to go.
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| Re: Building comp (parts) [message #318182 is a reply to message #317857] |
Wed, 20 February 2008 13:39 |
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alot of people are complaining that the quads are slower that 6000x2 and 6400x2 processors, and with that they are also full of bugs and flaws. i would suggest to drop the quad idea for now, buy a cheap 6000x2 or 6400x2 and wait until amd sorts out all the bugs and random issues with the quads.
btw your case is a bit too small for a good video card... just read the reviews on that case. people had to cut pieces of aluminum to fit their 8800s cards... so unless you want to get into heavy modification i suggest you pick a bigger case. look at the dimensions of them in the specs tab.
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It's a few years old now, you might want to look for a slightly newer chipset.
