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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315316 is a reply to message #315314] |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:29 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic.
You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say.
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I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge.
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SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text.
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Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests?
I lol'ed.
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So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible?
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No. But I expect them to actually know what the hell they're talking about before attempting to shoot down arguments against them. I for one have read the better portion of the bible, and have analyzed it. I took quite a few courses on biblical study in college. I know what I'm talking about.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315319 is a reply to message #315316] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 20:42 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 21:21 |
| Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:29 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic.
You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say.
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I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge.
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SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text.
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Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests?
I lol'ed.
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So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible?
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No. But I expect them to actually know what the hell they're talking about before attempting to shoot down arguments against them. I for one have read the better portion of the bible, and have analyzed it. I took quite a few courses on biblical study in college. I know what I'm talking about.
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You absolutely piss me off. First off you can't admit somebody else is right. Can't you just admit I'm ATLEAST half right? Second off, you're calling other people's beliefs stupid- I don't mind you arguing them, but making fun of them? C'mon.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315321 is a reply to message #315319] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 21:14 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 21:42 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 21:21 |
| Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:29 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:27 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 20:22 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 18:10 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2008 14:08 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 22:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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No, I'm not a mormon, I'm a Catholic.
You are twisting the bible's words into pretzels. God CREATED man in his image. He isn't the robber and he isn't the old lady. He gave us FREE WILL TO DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT because we were fucking CREATED. WTF are you saying, "he predestines history." Maybe he does. But he gave us free will to do WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANT TO. It isn't our job to know what goes on in the creator's mind. If you feel that you need to laugh at what me and Sniper believe, then just GTFO THIS THREAD. This also goes for twisting the bible into saying what you want it to say.
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I lol'ed at your lack of biblical knowledge.
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SHUTUP! What we are saying comes from priests, which have studied the bible their ENTIRE LIVES! AND based on YOUR lack of biblical knowledge, YOU don't know that the bible has more to it than the literal meaning in the text.
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Ah so instead of actually studying the bible yourself, you take the word of some ass-plundering catholic priests?
I lol'ed.
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So you expect all Christians and Catholics to over-obsess and memorize the whole bible?
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No. But I expect them to actually know what the hell they're talking about before attempting to shoot down arguments against them. I for one have read the better portion of the bible, and have analyzed it. I took quite a few courses on biblical study in college. I know what I'm talking about.
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You absolutely piss me off. First off you can't admit somebody else is right. Can't you just admit I'm ATLEAST half right? Second off, you're calling other people's beliefs stupid- I don't mind you arguing them, but making fun of them? C'mon.
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LOL? Wait a sec. I'm sorry. The apocalypse is Jesus coming down to bring us all to paradise? THAT is what you want me to admit you're right about? Sorry. Once they release you from the cultural looney-bin we can talk.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315343 is a reply to message #315321] |
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ok i dont know where this convo has gone to, but to answer the original question...
Its not hard to believe in Jesus Christ even though he lived 2000 years ago. The gospels were written around 40-100 A.D, before the destruction of the temple. We know this, the original manuscripts match up with the ones we have today. Also we know that Jesus didn't perform things that people mistook as miracles of God because even the pharisees said he "did things by devils". also extra biblical writing proves that there were many that acnowledged what he had done but just not by God. Josephus wrote about him, Tacitus wrote about him. theres 10,000 manuscripts plus biblical manuscripts that talk about him and match up perfectly with each other. He fulfilled prophecy from the Old testament and thats why we can trust he is the Christ.
so no only does history back him up but also secular history too.
its not that hard to believe especially since we trust the writings of homer in the odessy even though that was written hundreds of years after! Everything we know about alexander the great was written 500 years after his death! If anything what the bible has to say about Jesus is the most historically accurate we have from anywhere close to that time period.
thats why its not hard to believe in him
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315668 is a reply to message #315067] |
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| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315671 is a reply to message #315668] |
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| bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
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IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''.
Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet?
How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315676 is a reply to message #315671] |
Tue, 05 February 2008 20:42 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:42 |
| bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
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IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''.
Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet?
How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol.
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How do you know your friends and family won't go to heaven? It's something you can look forward to. And how can you say you won't be happy up in heaven when you've never been to heaven? If you don't believe in God, then you may not think heaven is a great place. But if you do, then you know that what he's got up there for you is the most amazing thing, something you can't even dream of, nor think of. To tell you the truth, I don't think God will send THAT many people to hell. I think all you have to do is live a good life, because some people believe what their parent taught them and by what the people around them believe in. All in all, I DON'T CARE WHAT you think about what I believe. I BELIEVE it's right- you don't have to. You know what else you don't HAVE to do? Make fun of what I think. I'm not making fun of you for not believing in God or what's written in the bible. So c'mon dude, just stop.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315678 is a reply to message #315676] |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 21:42 |
| MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:42 |
| bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
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IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''.
Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet?
How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol.
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How do you know your friends and family won't go to heaven? It's something you can look forward to. And how can you say you won't be happy up in heaven when you've never been to heaven? If you don't believe in God, then you may not think heaven is a great place. But if you do, then you know that what he's got up there for you is the most amazing thing, something you can't even dream of, nor think of. To tell you the truth, I don't think God will send THAT many people to hell. I think all you have to do is live a good life, because some people believe what their parent taught them and by what the people around them believe in. All in all, I DON'T CARE WHAT you think about what I believe. I BELIEVE it's right- you don't have to. You know what else you don't HAVE to do? Make fun of what I think. I'm not making fun of you for not believing in God or what's written in the bible. So c'mon dude, just stop.
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Ahhh okay, so wait, because my beliefs conflict with yours, I have to stop talking? Classic christian philosophy. ''Don't be tempted by the non-believers!!!''.
You continue to blab about the exact same stuff, over and over, disregarding my arguments. Have you ever read the bible? Obviously not. Because you would know how easy it is to get into hell. It says in the bible, and this is JESUS saying this, ''Though can curse me with no punishment, but if though cursith the holy spirit, thou shalt be condemned to hell fires for all eternity to burn for thy sin''. So wait, if I say ''Hey holy spirit, fuck you!'', I'm going to hell? God is preeeeetty cool 
You say, god does, this god does that, god is so great. If god creates even one human, even ONE person, they go to hell...Do you realize what that means? They're essentially, burned battered tortured and ripped to pieces over and over for ALL. OF. ETERNITY. Or at least, in some versions of the story ''The lord reclaims all souls, and brings the dead back to life, and all sins will be forgiven''. No one, no matter how cruel, deserves that. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He creates us, he puts us through hell and torture on earth, he destroys us, and then he burns many of us in eternal hell fires. Cool god
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315728 is a reply to message #315678] |
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| MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 22:15 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 21:42 |
| MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:42 |
| bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
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IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''.
Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet?
How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol.
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How do you know your friends and family won't go to heaven? It's something you can look forward to. And how can you say you won't be happy up in heaven when you've never been to heaven? If you don't believe in God, then you may not think heaven is a great place. But if you do, then you know that what he's got up there for you is the most amazing thing, something you can't even dream of, nor think of. To tell you the truth, I don't think God will send THAT many people to hell. I think all you have to do is live a good life, because some people believe what their parent taught them and by what the people around them believe in. All in all, I DON'T CARE WHAT you think about what I believe. I BELIEVE it's right- you don't have to. You know what else you don't HAVE to do? Make fun of what I think. I'm not making fun of you for not believing in God or what's written in the bible. So c'mon dude, just stop.
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Ahhh okay, so wait, because my beliefs conflict with yours, I have to stop talking? Classic christian philosophy. ''Don't be tempted by the non-believers!!!''.
You continue to blab about the exact same stuff, over and over, disregarding my arguments. Have you ever read the bible? Obviously not. Because you would know how easy it is to get into hell. It says in the bible, and this is JESUS saying this, ''Though can curse me with no punishment, but if though cursith the holy spirit, thou shalt be condemned to hell fires for all eternity to burn for thy sin''. So wait, if I say ''Hey holy spirit, fuck you!'', I'm going to hell? God is preeeeetty cool
You say, god does, this god does that, god is so great. If god creates even one human, even ONE person, they go to hell...Do you realize what that means? They're essentially, burned battered tortured and ripped to pieces over and over for ALL. OF. ETERNITY. Or at least, in some versions of the story ''The lord reclaims all souls, and brings the dead back to life, and all sins will be forgiven''. No one, no matter how cruel, deserves that. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. He creates us, he puts us through hell and torture on earth, he destroys us, and then he burns many of us in eternal hell fires. Cool god
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Yes, but that is why Jesus died for our sins. If we say "Hey Holy Spirit, screw you." We will go to hell. But Jesus died on the cross so that we wouldn't go to hell. Because we are CREATED, God loves us all and couldn't bear to see everyone EVERYONE go to hell, He sent down God The Son to live among us and die on the cross, which is said in the old testement. "His son will come die for us all." Maybe not the exact words, but you can find it in the old testement.
Hell and torture as you put it, is our test to see if we are good enough to come back to God and Heaven. 
Hold this debate for a couple days, I'm getting a religous guy to come on my account. He'll continue this. I think...
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315785 is a reply to message #315728] |
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You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn.
Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''.
So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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| MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 |
You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn.
Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''.
So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315856 is a reply to message #315670] |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 17:42 |
| Rocko wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:38 |
then what is the point of living?
why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven..
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Because there is a lack of chairs. And Earth is basically a test to see if you are worthy of a chair.
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A lack of chairs? What?
Seems heaven isn't so perfect after all.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315915 is a reply to message #315854] |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 |
| MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 |
You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn.
Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''.
So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you.
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Okay. Lets go with that for a minute.
So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell?
Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...?
Lol.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #315971 is a reply to message #315913] |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 21:06 |
| Dover wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 16:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 17:42 |
| Rocko wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:38 |
then what is the point of living?
why not skip life on earth and go straight to heaven..
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Because there is a lack of chairs. And Earth is basically a test to see if you are worthy of a chair.
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A lack of chairs? What?
Seems heaven isn't so perfect after all.
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Nah, it is only perfect... if you own a chair.
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Conditional perfection is not perfection.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #316057 is a reply to message #315915] |
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| MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 |
| MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 |
You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn.
Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''.
So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you.
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Okay. Lets go with that for a minute.
So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell?
Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...?
Lol.
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You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same.
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #316065 is a reply to message #314167] |
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religious faith is not based on logic or reason, i don't think anyone will ever come up with a real argument for why they should believe other than just cuz
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 07 February 2008 17:56 |
| MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 23:16 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 15:44 |
| MWright967 wrote on Wed, 06 February 2008 11:48 |
You do realize you just said, ''If we say screw you holy spirit'' we go to hell, then you just said, ''But we won't go to hell because Jesus died for our sins''. Contradiction much? I'll repeat, if the first part is correct, we all go to hell for cursing the holy spirit. That sounds really aweosome. Lets imagine the 2nd part is correct. So wait, if Jesus dies for my sins, I can do anything I want. Woo hoo! Oh but wait, then that nullifys like.......The rest of the bible...Gosh darn.
Also, what do you mean ''hell and torture are tests to see if we can get back into heaven''? No they aren't. Lol. I have news for you, once you're in hell, its over my friend. Even Jesus sais, ''Hell is a furnance in which god burns evil for all eternity''.
So wait, Jesus dies for our sins.....Yet if we commit sins we go to hell. Interesting. So pretty much, God sent old Jesus down, got him killed for no reason, and we still go out and do bad stuff AND get horribly punished for it for all of eternity. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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You can do anything you want, and if you feel bad about it and ask for forgiveness he WILL forgive you. But if you do something and say I'm sorry and don't mean it, he won't forgive you.
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Okay. Lets go with that for a minute.
So by your standards, if I do something bad and I apologize, I'm good. Yet, if I do something bad, and apologize, and I don't mean it, I'm going to hell? Okay. So wait a minute. I remember in my youth calling my mother a ''Bitch'' once. ''Thou shalt not curse thy ancestors'', I believe were the words of Jesus. Now my dad smacked me and said to apologize to her. I did, but I didn't mean it. So I'm going to hell?
Heres a better example. What if I'm a rich guy, and I give up my money for cancer research but I don't really mean it, I just do it to get in to heaven. Even if I WANTED to mean it, I couldn't really mean it. So I'm going to hell....Again...?
Lol.
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You wouldn't go to hell for either of those. And how is giving away money and not meaning it, the same as apologizing and not meaning? It's not the same.
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Uhm. I wouldn't go to hell? Didn't you just say I'd go to hell for doing either of those lol??? And also, its the same for this reason. I'm giving money away to make myself feel good and be a ''good'' person, so I'll get into heaven. But by your logic, if I'm saying or doing something just to get into heaven, I get boned. Cool
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| Re: question to christians about jesus [message #316102 is a reply to message #315671] |
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| MWright967 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 20:42 |
| bisen11 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2008 19:21 |
| MWright967 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 23:45 |
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 19:48 |
He knows it happens. He gave us free will to do whatever we want. That is why there is crime in this world. You think that God wants that man to rob the old lady? You honestly think that? If that is the case, you are just a complete religion idiot.
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Yet God could stop it if he wanted to. Then the old lady thus dies, and the robber goes to hell. I'll say it again, considering you appear to be too pumped on religious juice to understand this: According to your bible, God sees all, knows all, and PREDESTINES HISTORY BEFORE IT HAPPENS. THUS THE APOCALYPSE. Which means he could stop the robber, he could save the robber from eternal damnation and the old lady from a too short death, yet he doesn't to fulfill the prophecy of destruction which is yet to come. And you say we have free will? Interesting.
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But if the old lady was a good and faithful woman to god then she would be sent to heaven where she would experience eternal bliss. Therefor it would be better to die and go to heaven rather than to stay on earth.
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IF the old lady was good. She could be...''So-so'', and could go to limbo, purgatory, etc. And hell, the way the scriptures read, you can condemn yourself to an eternity of misery for doing a few mild things wrong. The old lady isn't necessarily good. It even says in the bible that ''Walking through the gates of heaven is a task for those who are pure of heart''. Not many people are ''pure of heart''.
Also, heaven is described as a wondrous and happy place, but it never says you will be completely happy. You won't see your children, your friends, family, anything, until many years pass and they as well, and even then, they may not go to heaven. See how this starts to riccochet?
How can I have everlasting happiness without the ones who care for me and that I spend my life with? Oh, wait, I'll use the argument of every priest and pastor in the world, ''With god, all things are possible''. Lol.
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A person can get out of purgatory and go to heaven. Purgatory is a place of clensing one's heart and becoming ready to enter heaven. I believe god is very forgiving. The main thing he wants is for you to believe in him. Things like murder however I believe will get you into hell aside from maybe to protect other people from being killed.
As to heaven, well neither of us knows what it is truly like. For all we know there are replicas of our family that we don't even know are replicas. Does time even exist in heaven? I believe I have heard that your mind is truly opened when you enter heaven so I doubt one's thought process will be the same as it is on earth. It's likely that everyone cares for everyone.
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