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| Re: Election '08 [message #310521 is a reply to message #310504] |
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| Jecht wrote on Sun, 13 January 2008 08:21 |
By the way, when I made that statement before. I did not confine it to modern governments...
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Conquests, wars and internal-wars, don't count as atrocities. These are the normal part of human nature.
An atrocity when speaking in this context of governments is an "excess" committed against a single person or a group of people based on several factors (race, religion, etc)
Needless massacres, unconventional and clearly unethical ways of dealing with a problem is what counts as atrocities.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310586 is a reply to message #310504] |
Sun, 13 January 2008 14:15 |
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| Jecht wrote on Sun, 13 January 2008 06:21 |
By the way, when I made that statement before. I did not confine it to modern governments...
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That's a shame. Apart from the Harappans, I can't think of a single non-modern society/government that HASN'T commited an autrosity. Yet the more modern you get, the less attrocities you see (Or at least, a lesser number of groups commited them). What does that tell you?
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| Re: Election '08 [message #310923 is a reply to message #310830] |
Mon, 14 January 2008 17:15 |
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| Jecht wrote on Mon, 14 January 2008 12:15 |
intolerance is slowing?
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Besides that.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311125 is a reply to message #311091] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 10:01 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 07:40 |
| Jecht wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 02:08 |
You tell me. I hate guessing games 
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That since attrocities were more common in ages past, their value in determaining the worth the worth of a government now lessens the more years have passed since the attrocity being commited.
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No offense, but I already knew that. Obviously if bad things happen less, the government is better. The question on whether something is "bad" or not is truly subjective, but not necessarily confined.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311185 is a reply to message #311125] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:15 |
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| Jecht wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 09:01 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 07:40 |
| Jecht wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 02:08 |
You tell me. I hate guessing games
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That since attrocities were more common in ages past, their value in determaining the worth the worth of a government now lessens the more years have passed since the attrocity being commited.
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No offense, but I already knew that. Obviously if bad things happen less, the government is better. The question on whether something is "bad" or not is truly subjective, but not necessarily confined.
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I was pretty sure you already knew that, which is why I expected you to say it, and not me.
This is relevent because of MWright967 wrote earlier, challenging this thread to name governements that had not commited attrocities (Making it sound as if NOT commiting crimes against humanity is somehow difficult, or a skill that must be mastered). The answers provided included Switzerland, and basically all of Scandonavia. His rebuttle pointed out "attrocities" commited by Swedish Vikings, thus leading to the point I made above:
"That since attrocities were more common in ages past, their value in determaining the worth the worth of a government now lessens the more years have passed since the attrocity being commited"
| MWright967 wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 06:38 |
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up about the atrocities. I don't even get what the arguement is about anymore....
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I just gave you a summery in my response to Jecht. Do you not want to continue this because it's another "I guess I'll be the man" moments?
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311268 is a reply to message #311246] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 19:44 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:37 |
Okay, about the election. What do you think the most important topic is? My vote is economy.
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That should be on everyone's mind. However, it seems candidates are campaigning on 'change' , and I have yet to have any idea as what 'change' is.
Turning back to the economy, I really don't know how the president will deal with the situation. Reconciling economic issues is going to be so painful to the American population that I doubt a president who oversees a "sound" economic recovery plan will last even one term.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311823 is a reply to message #311291] |
Thu, 17 January 2008 22:53 |
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The thing is, in my opinion, the media is scaring everybody too much. They always talk about "recession" and such. What does this make people want to do? Sell their stock. What does this lead to? A recession. The media is helping the cause. The stock market was at the highest it's ever been a while back. Of course it will go down afterwards. I think, if you give it some time it will fix itself.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311836 is a reply to message #308124] |
Thu, 17 January 2008 23:33 |
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I'd like to see someone fix the hyperinflation we're in.
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311856 is a reply to message #311823] |
Fri, 18 January 2008 02:15 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 17 January 2008 23:53 |
The thing is, in my opinion, the media is scaring everybody too much. They always talk about "recession" and such. What does this make people want to do? Sell their stock. What does this lead to? A recession. The media is helping the cause. The stock market was at the highest it's ever been a while back. Of course it will go down afterwards. I think, if you give it some time it will fix itself.
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Well, the media are all about sensationalism.
However, the current economic outlook has been caused by actions over the past 20-30 years. The main culprit is market manipulation by central banks, which has created amazing, near unending growth... but, like any living, breathing thing, the market can only be manipulated so much until it breaks. This could have been lessened had people, and governments taken the Dot-Com boom/bust seriously, and instituted much more prudent fiscal policies pertaining to economic decisions.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Election '08 [message #311998 is a reply to message #311893] |
Fri, 18 January 2008 12:28 |
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I hope we as humans all die and this stupid planet dies with us and none of us are left to talk shit, flame, spam, or anthing else ever again.
The reason Uranus is tilted 90 degrees is because god got angry and kicked it over.....
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| Re: Election '08 [message #312005 is a reply to message #311998] |
Fri, 18 January 2008 12:46 |
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| The Elite Officer wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 13:28 |
I hope we as humans all die and this stupid planet dies with us and none of us are left to talk shit, flame, spam, or anthing else ever again.
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That actually doesn't require the end of the world... Believe it or not, all it requires is the meager act of disconnecting your modems power cable. The best solutions are always the most simple ones.
I love how some economists are spinning this economic situation as something that'll only be in a slump for the next few months, and by the end of the year, everything will be all hunky-dory.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Election '08 [message #312008 is a reply to message #312005] |
Fri, 18 January 2008 12:52 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 14:46 |
| The Elite Officer wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 13:28 |
I hope we as humans all die and this stupid planet dies with us and none of us are left to talk shit, flame, spam, or anthing else ever again.
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That actually doesn't require the end of the world... Believe it or not, all it requires is the meager act of disconnecting your modems power cable. The best solutions are always the most simple ones.
I love how some economists are spinning this economic situation as something that'll only be in a slump for the next few months, and by the end of the year, everything will be all hunky-dory.
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Lol my modem does not have a power cabal.....
The reason Uranus is tilted 90 degrees is because god got angry and kicked it over.....
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| Re: Election '08 [message #312371 is a reply to message #312008] |
Sat, 19 January 2008 16:39 |
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| The Elite Officer wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 11:52 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 14:46 |
| The Elite Officer wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 13:28 |
I hope we as humans all die and this stupid planet dies with us and none of us are left to talk shit, flame, spam, or anthing else ever again.
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That actually doesn't require the end of the world... Believe it or not, all it requires is the meager act of disconnecting your modems power cable. The best solutions are always the most simple ones.
I love how some economists are spinning this economic situation as something that'll only be in a slump for the next few months, and by the end of the year, everything will be all hunky-dory.
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Lol my modem does not have a power cabal.....
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He was basically trying to tell you to become an hero politely.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Election '08 [message #312513 is a reply to message #312371] |
Sun, 20 January 2008 09:29 |
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Main problem for the USA, not depending on the candidate that will be chosen, is the economy. Technically speaking every USA citizen has a dept of $30,222.10. To be more precize, that's the debt your goverment has to other countries, mainly being europe and for an even bigger part, your hated China.
China only borrows you so much so that they can continiue to sell their products. Once you stop buying thier products, they will probably want their money back. Thhat would effectively mean the end for the USA economy, as without foreign money nothing can be bought from foreign countries.
Your luck at this moment is that OIL is (still) sold in USD, once the arab countries decide that the USD is too weak and unreliable, they will switch to the EURO, or some other important currency. I would not know what that would be though.
Once the OIL prices go up serverly the USA is pretty much fucked, and will have to pay for the many years they pretended that energy was endless with thier SUV's etc. This because even now the USA is not doing much to prevent waste of energy, and why would they? They pay near nothing for oil, unlike the Europeans for example.
I don't think any President can prevent something like a recession, the question is just, how bad will it get?
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