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Should the community have a "say"? [message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 03:51

jnz
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Should the comunity have a "say"?[ 52 votes ]
1.	Yes	38 / 73%
2.	No	14 / 27%

Should the community have a say in what happens with the moderation, administration? I can think of many polls that would have 100% yes.

Crimson, no one put me in charge, just want to know what other people think.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313758 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 05:13

OWA
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Simply put: Yes.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313760 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 05:18

EvilWhiteDragon
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I voted yes, simply for the reason that the only reason that I stay active on these forums is that I love renegade, and that sometimes something useful is posted.
I do however hate the complete lackof moderation here, you, Crimson, know that however, and you told me once that you thought that the community wanted it this way.
Well, as I had no way of making sure you where right or wrong, I trusted you here. Though recently I start to hear more and more complaints about the moderation.
Please use this information to your advantage, and try to make the forum a better place for everyone. This would be in the benefit of us all, and mostly in the benefit of Renegade, and that is what we're all here for, right?

I suggest to ban certain people, lock certain topics, remove certain ~~posts~~ rants, and so on.
If you think you can't handle that, as I know you're very busy, I would like to try to manage that. No, I am not saying that I should do this, just if you can't find anyone else, then I am willing to give it a try, to the benefits of us all.

Edit:
Could the one that voted no elaborate? Or does he/she wants to remain anomymous? That [b]seems[/s] a bit cowardish, in my opinion.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313761 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 05:27

renalpha
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yes ban teh scrin!!!

Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:50

I figured some people will still go LOLOLOL STARVING CATS LOOOOLZ UR A FAG or some dumb shit like that. Thanks for not disappointing! Smile

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313765 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 05:44

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Indeed I do want more moderation. Before WHOREQUEER and TEO and a bunch of other idiots came, this place was pretty decent place, with intelligent topics all around, but as you can see, gone now.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313771 is a reply to message #313761]

Sat, 26 January 2008 06:21

EvilWhiteDragon
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renalpha wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 13:27

yes ban teh scrin!!!

Please leave that kind of posts out of the topic, as that will not help our cause.

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[Updated on: Sat, 26 January 2008 06:21]

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313774 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 06:46

GEORGE ZIMMER
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I do agree that more decisions should be based upon user choices, but I'm pretty sure that Crimson and Blazer n whatnot aren't complete forum-nazis.

Just takes a bit of asking, and a nice little click on that report button from a few users.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313776 is a reply to message #313774]

Sat, 26 January 2008 06:55

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Cabal8616 wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 13:46

We don't want Crimson and Blazer to be 'forum-nazis' we just want them to tighten up on the moderation a tad.

Obviously I voted yes.

CarrierII wrote

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Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313794 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 10:08

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PLECOS MASTER

I'm now the guardian of the spam forum. Does that help anything?

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313796 is a reply to message #313794]

Sat, 26 January 2008 10:10

Ryu
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Canadacdn wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 17:08

I'm now the guardian of the spam forum. Does that help anything?

No, It's lacking plecos.

Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313817 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 12:26

cmatt42
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Administration and moderation of what?

Also, I find the irony of having our say on whether we should have our say hilarious.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313820 is a reply to message #313817]

Sat, 26 January 2008 12:32

BlueThen
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Yes. We should have "official" polls for banning people, and have it so that the people can't even see the polls.

Dunno if that's even possible, but another idea is to have a "lower" moderation, where it's basically trusted peeps, who has access to a hidden "moderation forums", and can only moderate via polls.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313861 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 15:26

Rocko
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No because just like with the United States, the majority is full of total idiots and retards and can not be trusted, and shouldn't be trusted with the ability to make any important decisions.

Crimson, Blazer, and the other admins are doing a decent job at moderating. The very same public wanting moderation are the ones who are spamming pleco pictures and doing retarded things like that.

black and proud

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313862 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 15:31

danpaul88
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You know, I think this is the first time EVER I have actually agreed with something Rocko has said.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313863 is a reply to message #313861]

Sat, 26 January 2008 15:41

Caveman
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Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 22:26

Thats rich coming from you. You're one of the trolls that post useless threads.

I for one have never posted a picture of a pleco and I want the moderation tightened.

CarrierII wrote

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313864 is a reply to message #313863]

Sat, 26 January 2008 15:48

Rocko
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Caveman wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 16:41

Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 22:26

Thats rich coming from you. You're one of the trolls that post useless threads.

I for one have never posted a picture of a pleco and I want the moderation tightened.

Yeah the but the point i'm trying to make it is I am not a hypocrite who makes useless posts and spams and then complains about the fact that there is not enough moderation.

black and proud

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313874 is a reply to message #313864]

Sat, 26 January 2008 16:10

BlueThen
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Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 16:48

Yeah the but the point i'm trying to make it is I am not a hypocrite who makes useless posts and spams and then complains about the fact that there is not enough moderation.

So in other words,

Quote:

actually means

Quote:

I think the moderation is good, because they aren't banning trolls and spammers like me!

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313881 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 16:31

Genesis2001
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Not really much to say. I agree with what's said pretty much. Thumbs Up

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313891 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 17:23

u6795
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Lighten up on flaming at Rocko. If he's contributing to the discussion, there's no reason to be a dick.

Also: Yeah. Please? I agree with the public poll idea that the subject cannot see. That sounds awesome.

yeah

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313904 is a reply to message #313864]

Sat, 26 January 2008 17:49

cnc95fan
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Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 16:48

Caveman wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 16:41

Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 22:26

Thats rich coming from you. You're one of the trolls that post useless threads.

I for one have never posted a picture of a pleco and I want the moderation tightened.

Yeah the but the point i'm trying to make it is I am not a hypocrite who makes useless posts and spams and then complains about the fact that there is not enough moderation.

[Updated on: Sat, 26 January 2008 17:50]

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313921 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 20:05

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There is far from a complete lack of moderation here. Read the rules over a couple times then come back here and try to justify that claim.

This forum is a very tricky one to moderate. It's the general discussion, in a sense, any type of discussion should be allowed to take place here so long as it doesn't directly conflict with the CoC. Whether it be an intelligent conversation about some new technology, or a IQ-lowering discussion about words that contain the letter B. Just because you don't agree with or like what someone is posting doesn't mean it's against the rules, nor does it mean it should be.

Everyone here has had all the "say" they could ever need since the Report button was added. If you don't think the moderators are getting to everything then give them a hand and stop complaining. Instead of making this thread it would have taken you less time to click the report button, and you would have gotten more accomplished. I'm sure you'd all be shocked at the amount of moderation that goes on here if you had access to The Silo, or if Crimson/Blazer posted parts of the Action Log.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313930 is a reply to message #313904]

Sat, 26 January 2008 21:04

Rocko
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cnc95fan wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 18:49

Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 16:48

Caveman wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 16:41

Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 22:26

Thats rich coming from you. You're one of the trolls that post useless threads.

I for one have never posted a picture of a pleco and I want the moderation tightened.

Yeah the but the point i'm trying to make it is I am not a hypocrite who makes useless posts and spams and then complains about the fact that there is not enough moderation.

Did you ignore the fact that I said im not a hypocrite who does those things, AND THEN, complains about it? I didn't say that there weren't any topics that I've made that didn't have some questionable placement or could be considered unimportant, or as you retards call spam.

Some of those topics weren't total spam though as I was trying to make some kind of joke in the beginning in hopes of starting a discussion, of which i wanted to talk about.

A lot of you over analyze and believe I'm here just to troll, but no, there's a lot more to what I'm saying than its literal interpretation.

black and proud

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313933 is a reply to message #313930]

Sat, 26 January 2008 21:21

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Rocko wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 22:04

Some of those topics weren't total spam though as I was trying to make some kind of joke in the beginning in hopes of starting a discussion, of which i wanted to talk about.

...but you keep doing it, even though they completely phail?

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313934 is a reply to message #313748]

Sat, 26 January 2008 21:41

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As for the question goes:

It is a question of what you view these forums as. Do you view them as belonging to the community or the people who own the forums?

Honestly, I want to say that it belongs to the community, but none of us are supporting the forums. If we want to have a say, then we should all completely support these forums.

If Crimson were to agree to it, I think she should let people know roughly what she spends a month on the bills, and then people collectively pay that. Then the ones who donate, would then be given "votes" (based on how much you donate). Only then should we be able to be guaranteed a say in the moderation and administration.

Of course, this would be ONLY if and when Crimson would agree to this proposition. Until then, it sounds completely absurd to expect that she gives up partial control to the collective users of these forums if we have no contributions towards the hosting.

whoa.

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Re: Should the community have a "say"? [message #313944 is a reply to message #313934]

Sat, 26 January 2008 22:37

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cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 26 January 2008 23:41

If Crimson were to agree to it, I think she should let people know roughly what she spends a month on the bills, and then people collectively pay that. Then the ones who donate, would then be given "votes" (based on how much you donate). Only then should we be able to be guaranteed a say in the moderation and administration.

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