| God [message #312852] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 06:44  |
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Chimp
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Yes. I went there. I want to know what each of you think. Is God real? Is God fake? Why do you think that? I'm just interested in seeing what all of you think. I'm not going to post my own personal biases, I prefere not to muddy the waters.
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| Re: God [message #312896 is a reply to message #312852] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 14:56  |
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Dover
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How about this:
Wether God exists or not is irrelevant. To be more specific, my opinion on God's existance is irrelevant, because regardless of the outcome, I am but a man, and to put it colloquially, "What the fuck do I know?" My guess could be right, but it's no better than yours, and we're obviously not both right. It's more than likely that we're both wrong.
So, where does that leave me? I have a personal set of morals and values, which I do my best to follow daily. I also have a reverance for logic and reasoning, two abilities and concepts that won't lead me astray nearly as often as any faith would.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: God [message #312934 is a reply to message #312896] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 16:07 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 15:56 |
How about this:
Wether God exists or not is irrelevant. To be more specific, my opinion on God's existance is irrelevant, because regardless of the outcome, I am but a man, and to put it colloquially, "What the fuck do I know?" My guess could be right, but it's no better than yours, and we're obviously not both right. It's more than likely that we're both wrong.
So, where does that leave me? I have a personal set of morals and values, which I do my best to follow daily. I also have a reverance for logic and reasoning, two abilities and concepts that won't lead me astray nearly as often as any faith would.
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Oh, you're smart 
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| Re: God [message #312977 is a reply to message #312945] |
Tue, 22 January 2008 18:39 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 22 January 2008 17:26 |
Yet another shit topic about the superhero God.
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lol I don't believe in any religion, but do think it's logical that something had to create the universe. If there's anything more retarded than bible thumpers it's smart 14-year olds who think they have all the answers and make dumb posts calling god a variety of curse words or silly things.
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| Re: God [message #313354 is a reply to message #313352] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 14:58 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 13:39 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 16:32 |
Just because something is created, doesn't mean there has to be a creator.
Things can happen without the help of a conscious being.
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I think you miss my point. Everything is created from something, and I see no reason why the creation of our universe is any different.
If you want to believe that our universe was created purely out of chance, fine, but you have to also admit that there's just as much chance of their being an all-powerful being behind everything, too.
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See my post above.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: God [message #313360 is a reply to message #313352] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 15:25 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 16:39 |
If you want to believe that our universe was created purely out of chance, fine, but you have to also admit that there's just as much chance of their being an all-powerful being behind everything, too.
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I don't see why. Neither of them relate to each other in any way. Why should they have an equal chance of happening?
Because even above all, I know that something happening by chance outweighs the chance of things being created by a creator because the creator couldn't just appear, now could they?
That being had to come from somewhere. So even if you are right, and this universe was created by some "creator" there still lies the question of who or what created the creator?
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| Re: God [message #313386 is a reply to message #312852] |
Thu, 24 January 2008 17:54 |
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I wrote this a few weeks ago on another message board, and it seems that it explains my thoughts better than I can currently, so enjoy...
Anybody who can claim that a supreme being CANNOT exist is a closed-minded fucktard. Likewise, anybody who claims that a supreme being HAS to exist is a closed-minded fucktard.
Whether you're religious or not, you cannot say with 100% certainty that you're right. You can believe that you're right. You can insist that you're right. However, you cannot tell me that a god cannot exist. Have you left our physical world to see that no supreme being exist? Again, likewise, can a Christian or Muslim tell me that there is a higher power after they've died? No.
Sure, you can say that it makes no sense that a god exists. The whole "pink unicorn" and "flying spaghetti monster" argument. That's all and well, but matter just existing (Big Bang was caused by matter being tightly packed and thus exploding... the matter apparently just existed) is just as much of a stretch as a god always existing. Who knows, unicorns could, in fact, exist. Nobody can be 100% certain.
Now, I'm not saying religious nuts or atheists are closed-minded for believing one way or the other, but they're wrong to claim absolute knowledge on the issue.
Now, for my personal believe, I believe that a supreme being set everything we see in motion. I'm not sure that it's the Christian god, Islamic god, or even the Greek gods of ancient times. However, what I do feel to be true is that whatever being exists, it is a personal being(s). I've had too many "coincidental" things happen that really can't be explained any other way, in my opinion. There's, also, too many stories of people feeling the presence of something helping them when they were too weak to survive. Something of that sort, anyway.
Either way, if a supreme being does exist, then just because people can explain existence it with science doesn't mean that it wasn't put in place by a supreme being. A supreme being could intervene in life, too, without breaking any scientific laws. For instance, if the being wanted to kill someone through electric shock, the being could make a rat chew through a wire that causes a short and shocks the person. Nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing that would defy scientific laws. Just made it so that the rat existed in a specific place in a specific time that acted just as a rat would and killed the person. That's an extreme example, but it gets my point across, I think.
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| Re: God [message #313552 is a reply to message #313390] |
Fri, 25 January 2008 07:58 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 24 January 2008 18:09 |
But I didn't say 100% either way.
I just asked a question that you didn't answer.
If a supreme being created everything, what created the supreme being?
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Unfortunately suggesting an infinite regress doesn't help any issues, be it for science or religion.
At some point only one thing existed that created everything else, be it matter or divine being.
Look to explaining how it could have existed, rather than trying to skew the issue about what my have come before. At some point NOTHING came before, that THAT is the creator we are talking about.. again be it matter or divine being. There is some attribute of "it" that makes it the beginning of everything, and there is no "previous creator", because that is just, well, ignorant. The "creator creating a creator" idea is reduntant because we are not limiting ourselves to some created object, but rather the ultimate creator.
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