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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311269 is a reply to message #311257] |
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R315r4z0r
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No.
Well I don't anyway. Because what I do is criticize the US. What you been doing is bashing. At least that is how I see it..
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The thing the US once stood for doesn't exist anymore.
Today the US isn't built on the Constitution. It is built on loop holes and ways to avoid breaking the Constitution.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311271 is a reply to message #311269] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 19:49 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 18:46 |
No.
Well I don't anyway. Because what I do is criticize the US. What you been doing is bashing. At least that is how I see it..
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The thing the US once stood for doesn't exist anymore.
Today the US isn't built on the Constitution. It is built on loop holes and ways to avoid breaking the Constitution.
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Apperantly, I've been "bashing" the country I live in for serveral posts in several threads without even realizing it! Could someone please direct me to these "bash" posts I've made? I can't seem to find them.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311276 is a reply to message #311271] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 19:55 |
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Well this thread for starters. You obviously would rather the outcome of the argument to be against the US being in a better light of the situation.
I.E. taking points in history and using them to make the US look bad as well as those who live in it.
Where as if you where to simply criticize, you would at least leave room for improvement.
You can't improve upon the past.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311281 is a reply to message #311276] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:11 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:55 |
Well this thread for starters. You obviously would rather the outcome of the argument to be against the US being in a better light of the situation.
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Like WOW! Stop tossing shit around needlessly after you clearly got owned.
Obviously for you, blind patriotism takes priority over rationality.
I would say you are pretty stupid if you think that is bashing. Seriously, go get a proper education. Why don't you start with Wikipedia? Here is something for starters:
If someone was critizing my country, I would home in on what the subject matter is, what the other person is saying, analyze it, make a mature counter-argument with the backing of credible facts, and then I will go engage the other person in argument.
I would not become an insecure idiot like a few people here and say "get out of my country" as a matter of fact.
And Razor, you are a tool.
| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:18 |
It's a sad day when a man can't question or critizes the country he lives in and not be labeled a "basher", "hypocrite", "illegal immigrant", or something similar.
I wasn't bashing, "my friend". What Prasp does is bashing. You really can't see the difference between what he and I do?
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Ooo you spoke for me, pretty much.
It's pretty sad indeed when people can't discern the difference between bashing and criticism. I hate when this happens because it creates the perfect situation in which the truth is forced to die in a fire of emotions.
What Prasp does is indeed bashing. His posts are littered with accusations and these are not backed up with credible evidence. Either he provides little proof or the "source" of his evidence is not trustworthy.
I for one have only history as proof. And no blind hatred and stupidity can be found in my posts here (the same can be said for Dover).
And telling someone to "leave the country" is like resorting to swearing when you are losing an argument.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311292 is a reply to message #311285] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:20 |
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I didn't get "owned" what the hell are you talking about? I'm not a "patriot." I completely hate the fact of separate counties thinking they are better than everyone else. Hence my part in this debate.
Criticizing can be one of two things:
-Saying something is great and leaving info on how it could improve or keep it the same.
-Saying something is bad and leaving information or feed back on how it can become better.
Bashing is flat-out disrespect with no intention for suggestions.
Now quote me something that Dover or yourself have said in this thread that suggests a way to "amend" what bad things you pointed out about the US.
You can't say them now, you have to quote something you already said.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311298 is a reply to message #311276] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:27 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 18:55 |
Well this thread for starters. You obviously would rather the outcome of the argument to be against the US being in a better light of the situation.
I.E. taking points in history and using them to make the US look bad as well as those who live in it.
Where as if you where to simply criticize, you would at least leave room for improvement.
You can't improve upon the past.
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You can use the past to improve upon the future.
And if I take the opposite stance and point out what's great about the US? I'd be repeating what "your camp" is saying. I'd basically be spamming "lol ya I agree".
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:20 |
I didn't get "owned" what the hell are you talking about? I'm not a "patriot." I completely hate the fact of separate counties thinking they are better than everyone else. Hence my part in this debate.
Criticizing can be one of two things:
-Saying something is great and leaving info on how it could improve or keep it the same.
-Saying something is bad and leaving information or feed back on how it can become better.
Bashing is flat-out disrespect with no intention for suggestions.
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No, this is wrong. The ACTUAL definitions are found here:
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311302 is a reply to message #311299] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:30 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:27 |
Lol, I was just about to edit my above post, again.
I was going to say:
Since the word "bashing" doesn't mean as what it would in a dictionary, at least in terms of its use on the internet, it would be safe to assume that "bashing" is the negative extreme of criticizing.
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What I'm doing isn't an extreme of anything.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311306 is a reply to message #311305] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:33 |
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I'm sorry, I'm not psychic.
Since you posted, I don't feel guilty about double posting.
Your second post:
| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 22:29 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:25 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:26 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:20 |
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*Look at times of quotes*
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Your 3rd post:
| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 22:30 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:27 |
Lol, I was just about to edit my above post, again.
I was going to say:
Since the word "bashing" doesn't mean as what it would in a dictionary, at least in terms of its use on the internet, it would be safe to assume that "bashing" is the negative extreme of criticizing.
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What I'm doing isn't an extreme of anything.
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I meant in terms of definition #3 that Bluethen posted.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311307 is a reply to message #311306] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:35 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:33 |
I'm sorry, I'm not psychic.
Since you posted, I don't feel guilty about double posting.
Your second post:
| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 22:29 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:25 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:26 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:20 |
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That's fine. Double posting doesn't trigger the forum nazi alarm with me.
In any case, I'm not psychic either. I just address each post as I see it.
Edit: What about the times? I'm sorry for being efficient?
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311309 is a reply to message #311307] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:37 |
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What I meant by "I'm not psychic" is that I can't post everything at once because you haven't replied to it yet.
How can I reply to a criticism you make without you first making the criticism?
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Edit: What about the times? I'm sorry for being efficient?
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Well, you implied I got "owned" when Bluethen posted the definitions, correct?
Well Bluethen posted the definitions AFTER Starbuzz already accused me of being "owned." That is what I meant. That hole Quote + Quote thing didn't make chronological sense. 
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311311 is a reply to message #311306] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:39 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:33 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 22:30 |
What I'm doing isn't an extreme of anything.
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I meant in terms of definition #3 that Bluethen posted.
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That's fine, but I'm still not at the "extreme" of anything. So even IF we allow extreme critisism to be termed "bashing", I have not "bashed" anything.
Unless you can direct me to some evidence that I have done otherwise?
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311312 is a reply to message #311311] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 20:42 |
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OMG! I forgot!
Going back all the way up to Starbuzz's post about me getting "owned" and then saying get an education by going to wikipedia.
L.O.L.
That.. that is really all I wanted to say about that.
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 22:39 |
Unless you can direct me to some evidence that I have done otherwise?
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K, hang on..
Ok, the first paragraph of your first reply in this thread. Bashes Wingdingo on his argument. Basically sarcastically implying something that you harshly meant to say... or so it appears.
I don't want to get into any more nit-picky bashing that you did towards me, because the rest of your posts in this thread revolve around me almost 90% of the time.
Now Starbuzz on the other hand, bashes everything that he doesn't agree with. Much like he will find a way to bash what I am saying now. No, I'm not confusing bashing and flaming, because flaming is mindlessly insulting a person on the internet, where as he is using different faults and proofs to, not make the situation better or worse of, but to single out someone and flat out insult them for things that have either been said before from the victim, or just because he doesn't like the person. (Which is plainly obvious)
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311316 is a reply to message #311312] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 21:19 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:42 |
OMG! I forgot!
Going back all the way up to Starbuzz's post about me getting "owned" and then saying get an education by going to wikipedia.
L.O.L.
That.. that is really all I wanted to say about that.
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 22:39 |
Unless you can direct me to some evidence that I have done otherwise?
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K, hang on..
Ok, the first paragraph of your first reply in this thread. Bashes Wingdingo on his argument. Basically sarcastically implying something that you harshly meant to say... or so it appears.
I don't want to get into any more nit-picky bashing that you did towards me, because the rest of your posts in this thread revolve around me almost 90% of the time.
Now Starbuzz on the other hand, bashes everything that he doesn't agree with. Much like he will find a way to bash what I am saying now. No, I'm not confusing bashing and flaming, because flaming is mindlessly insulting a person on the internet, where as he is using different faults and proofs to, not make the situation better or worse of, but to single out someone and flat out insult them for things that have either been said before from the victim, or just because he doesn't like the person. (Which is plainly obvious)
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So, in 60something replys, out of which I can claim about 1/3 as my own, you found ONE example of me being sarcastic, POSSIBLEY implying that I MIGHT have something harsher to say but held back?
You're right. I'm a big-time basher.
Starbuzz, on the other hand, has used even more evidence and support in his posts, none of which are anything that can be called "bashing" by any of the defintions we've gathered here.
I hearby declare this thread over. We've squeezed what debate we could out of it, but now it's deteriored to bruised egos and getting defensive over e-honor.
Brace for Plecos spam.
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311320 is a reply to message #311316] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 21:42 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 19:42 |
OMG! I forgot!
Going back all the way up to Starbuzz's post about me getting "owned" and then saying get an education by going to wikipedia.
L.O.L.
That.. that is really all I wanted to say about that.
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What is this nonsense? I doubt you will ever leave your little den and go pick up a book. Best way for you to learn is Wikipedia. Then you can graduate to Encarta to attain even more knowledge.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 21:27 |
Since the word "bashing" doesn't mean as what it would in a dictionary, at least in terms of its use on the internet, it would be safe to assume that "bashing" is the negative extreme of criticizing.
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Tell me when me or Dover went over to that "negative extreme" of criticizing?
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:42 |
Now Starbuzz on the other hand, bashes everything that he doesn't agree with.
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What are you aiming for now? Personal insults?
Let me tell you: I don't let personal preferences get in my way when dealing with other matters. I DO NOT think in the "agree/disagree" method. I use crucial evidence, knowledge, and thinking to rationally solve any argument.
Seriously! You were the one who did not agree and stubbornly insisted that Soviet's put a nuke in Cuba to nuke America. Me blasting that false information with history is equal to insults?
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:42 |
Much like he will find a way to bash what I am saying now.
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This is a perfect example of "internet insurance." Sorry, my friend, I am slow to anger but fast to think rationally.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:42 |
No, I'm not confusing bashing and flaming, because flaming is mindlessly insulting a person on the internet...
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Flaming = bashing. Your point is irrelavent.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:42 |
where as he is using different faults and proofs to, not make the situation better or worse of, but to single out someone...
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WOW @ your childishness. What "situation" are we talking about? We were debating history (we can't change that) and I brought up VALID, CREDIBLE, and TRUE information that can be found in any public township library to prove my points. How is it an insult?
When did I ever use "faults" to prove my point? And WHO did I single out?
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 20:42 |
and flat out insult them for things that have either been said before from the victim, or just because he doesn't like the person. (Which is plainly obvious)
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"Flat out"? Give me an example. Give me an example where I "flat out insulted" anybody in this thread. And who don't I like in this thread? You think I hate you?
Do you even know my stance on the Iraq War? Do you think I am a supporter of terrorists? Do you think I hate America? Do you think I sympathize with the beheaders? Do you think I am a criminal? Do you think I am a Communist? Do you think I am a terrorist because I am not American? Do you think I am an immigrant who needs to be deported?
You don't know do you? You have not a clue.
Seriously, my friend, you have gone TOO FAR with your blatant and criminal false accusations of me.
Stop right NOW, and think on what you are doing before carrying out this unholy triade against me.
NOTE: In all that I have seen so far, it is clearly obvious that Razor is unfit to argue in this sub-forum and this thread proves it.
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 15 January 2008 21:55 |
I.E. taking points in history and using them to make the US look bad as well as those who live in it.
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LMAO. You are such a little kid. You keep going back to your old posts and adding new things after we post. Shows how unstable you are.
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Thanks to you Dover. And yes, I agree, this thread is over and some immature people are clearly upset at their "e-honor" being tarnished.
BRACE FOR INCOMING PLECOS!
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| Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #311322 is a reply to message #310056] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 21:44 |
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Thread over. Call in the Plecos strikes.
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