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Wingdingo on the Reborn forums wrote:

Here is one of my many rants. Enjoy.

(this line does not refer to you.)

Too many of you can't think of this war in a logical sense. Yes it's tragic that our soldiers are dying for what is a "wrong cause" yet, you fail to see that those men and women VOLUNTEERED, to serve our country. They knew the risks when they signed up, yet they still wanted to lend a hand and serve their nation, serve their brothers and sisters.

I'll admit, the US has taken on the role of "world police" but I highly doubt we are "bullies." I'm not proud that the US has done so, but lo and behold, who else is stepping up to do the task? The rest of the world certainly doesn't give a damn. If you wish the US would just stay out of everybodies business so be it. But what would have happened during WWI and WWII had the US not been involved at all?

As I recall, the US did not want anything to do with either war. We were an isolationist nation, meaning we didn't want to deal with the shit in the world. The rest of the world was getting its ass kicked in both wars. We didn't join in on WWI until two years before it was over because of Germany's unrestricted submarine warfare. We didn't want to, but we were forced into that one. WWII, same story. We didn't want any involvment. Japan had other ideas however and attacked the US first.

Where would you all be now if we hadn't been there to help?

And about the current war on terror...again we were attacked first. Iraq is a mistake, I admit, but do you want us to leave Iraq without footing or fixing our errors? If we leave now our losses will have been in vain and guess what? That tribal warfare/civil war will just ignite (if it already hasn't) and Iraq will be worse off. We may, as a matter of fact, be better off, as the tribal mentality that runs so rampant through that region will hamper any attempts at peace.

I can only think of five wars the US has started on its own. The US Revolutionary War, the US Civil War, the Gulf War, The Mexican American War, and the war in Iraq, one of them being for independence. What happened to Korea and Vietnam, not to mention the Cold War altogether? You can't pin that all on the US, the blame equally falls upon Soviet Russia for those wars as heavily. The US willingly stepped up to the bat to stem the tide of Communism which was very agressive. Note how well Communism has succeded since its iterration. Don't tell me "look at China, they're doing good and they're Communist." You ignore the fact that they have a Capitalist market in place of a Communist one.

Ah, the U.N. What a useless piece of crap that is. Hell, every "league of nations" type organization has failed before and will likely fail again.

What will you all do if the US goes isolationist once again? I don't know about my fellow Americans, but I'm tired of my nation bailing everyone else out of a bad situation only to be spat in the face and ridiculed. When the world's in flames and you come running to the US, don't be surprised if we're fed up and tell you "deal with it yourselves."

And part two in response to some jerkoffs thinking otherwise: (Note I am now livid. Opening line does not refer to you guys.)

You all have got to be the stupidest people known to man.

How can any of you compare Hitler to Bush? Dumbasses.

Let's see, Hitler: Killed millions on his hellbent quest to take over the world. Brainwashed his nation and took advantage of them. Attempted to wipe out an entire ethnicity. HIS OWN ETHNICITY.

Bush: As far as I know, has not taken anything over (and kept it), has not killed millions, has not tried to wipe an ethnicity off of the face of the planet. Clearly has not brainwashed his nation if so many of "you" are in such great and united opposition of him. He's done his fair share of idiotic things, but there is no way in hell that he can be compared to Hitler. You dumbasses actually believe that a president, no better, no worse than any other in U.S. History, save, the world, is as evil and vile as Adolf Hitler, the man closest to being the devil.

It sickens me to my core that any of you can believe that filth. Do you want to know why the United States sticks it's nose in other people's business? Because you shitheads can't even take care of your own shit. How many times has the U.S. saved your asses. How many times have we tried to help you only to recieve your refusal? Not only that, but (especially to Europeans) don't see the irony in all of their U.S. Bashing claiming what the U.S. cannot be anything else like the rest of the "peaceful" world. You shitheads pretty much created the United states. You created every ideal that the United states has borrowed from. You spawned the United States from your own corruption. YOU, are what created everything the United States is, and ever will be. Don't believe me, read up on your history, and look at the total number of wars, the amount of corruption, the brutal nature of "civilization", the raping of land and peoples that occured before the United States, and who will you find at the helm? That's right. The rest of the world. It's human nature, deal with it. You say we don't care about the world, but remember, you didn't care first.

I am not happy, I'm going to bed.


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EDIT: fixed quote just had to vote, on the sheer awesomeness of the quote.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310062 is a reply to message #310056] Fri, 11 January 2008 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This guy wins a prize. Big Ups

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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310063 is a reply to message #310056] Fri, 11 January 2008 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow. That was godly. Thumbs Up
Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310080 is a reply to message #310056] Fri, 11 January 2008 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Geez, that's a kick to the berries to all of the tools out there. Well done.

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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310085 is a reply to message #310080] Fri, 11 January 2008 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I only read half of this before, I just finished reading it. Thumbs Up

One thing I want to insert 2 cents on:

I don't think Hitler was "Evil." WAIT, LET ME FINISH! I didn't say that I don't think what he did was a horrible, horrible thing, I just think that the word "Evil" and Hitler are just in two completely different leagues. Or like using a football to play baseball.

I see Hitler as more of a Psychologically Imbalanced or Disturbed, rather than "Evil."

My reasons for saying that is... well, I don't really know.. it just stood out to me and I thought I'd say something about it. Neutral

Maybe it is because Hitler believed he was doing the right thing. An Evil person would consciously be doing the wrong thing.

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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310091 is a reply to message #310085] Fri, 11 January 2008 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 23:59

I only read half of this before, I just finished reading it. Thumbs Up

One thing I want to insert 2 cents on:

I don't think Hitler was "Evil." WAIT, LET ME FINISH! I didn't say that I don't think what he did was a horrible, horrible thing, I just think that the word "Evil" and Hitler are just in two completely different leagues. Or like using a football to play baseball.

I see Hitler as more of a Psychologically Imbalanced or Disturbed, rather than "Evil."

My reasons for saying that is... well, I don't really know.. it just stood out to me and I thought I'd say something about it. Neutral

Maybe it is because Hitler believed he was doing the right thing. An Evil person would consciously be doing the wrong thing.


That's the way I see it. If Hitler was truly insane or mentally unstable, he would consider himself as having done the right thing in killing masses of people, which would be appalling to a person in a normal mental state.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310092 is a reply to message #310056] Fri, 11 January 2008 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny how he justifies the cold war part. "Oh, that was against communism. It doesn't count. The blame goes to the soviets". Horse shit. Also, he forgot the war of 1812. And all those "wars" with Native Americans (Oh, people hate to bring up Native Americans in threads like this--it tends to knock the US down a notch). In fact, he forgot all of these.

The Hitler thing I agree with. Bush = Hitler is a bad analogy. It doesn't mean I like either party, but what're you going to do, right?

His last paragraph is pure bullshit.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310106 is a reply to message #310056] Sat, 12 January 2008 02:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to disagree with 1 part: "VOLUNTEERED"

They did so because they're pumped with fear and violence every day, because they are poor and looking for a quick fix, so to speak, and because they have propaganda thrown in their faces from the military.

Now, I expect a good page of flaming to ensue, so I'm probably not even going to bother looking at this thread again.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310119 is a reply to message #310085] Sat, 12 January 2008 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 11 January 2008 23:59

I only read half of this before, I just finished reading it. Thumbs Up

One thing I want to insert 2 cents on:

I don't think Hitler was "Evil." WAIT, LET ME FINISH! I didn't say that I don't think what he did was a horrible, horrible thing, I just think that the word "Evil" and Hitler are just in two completely different leagues. Or like using a football to play baseball.

I see Hitler as more of a Psychologically Imbalanced or Disturbed, rather than "Evil."

My reasons for saying that is... well, I don't really know.. it just stood out to me and I thought I'd say something about it. Neutral

Maybe it is because Hitler believed he was doing the right thing. An Evil person would consciously be doing the wrong thing.

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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310121 is a reply to message #310056] Sat, 12 January 2008 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you miss the point of not only American soilder dieing, but millions of Iraqi Men, Women and children being blown to bits to kill a very few "millitants" which pose a tiny threat to the "West".
Gerorge Bush is either Evil or mentaly disturbed. He has some sad vision that Iraq, Iran and North Korea are the "Axis of Evil". How sad.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310140 is a reply to message #310121] Sat, 12 January 2008 06:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cnc95fan wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 21:52

Gerorge Bush is either Evil or mentaly disturbed.


He's neither. He doesn't make any decisions for the country, others do that for him. You still think that the President runs the entire country? Hah! Nope. There are people higher up. Have you ever wondered why presidents that really would have changed the world got ASSASSINATED?

Anyhow, George Bush can't even decide which sock to wear, let alone run a country.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310148 is a reply to message #310056] Sat, 12 January 2008 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He was our best choice. In 2004 we had to vote for the lesser of the two evils. John Kerry was just an idiot and was the more of the two evils.

Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310151 is a reply to message #310106] Sat, 12 January 2008 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dreganius wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 03:26

I have to disagree with 1 part: "VOLUNTEERED"

They did so because they're pumped with fear and violence every day, because they are poor and looking for a quick fix, so to speak, and because they have propaganda thrown in their faces from the military.

Now, I expect a good page of flaming to ensue, so I'm probably not even going to bother looking at this thread again.


Don't group everyone up into that category. My neighbor is a marine and he WANTS to see combat. He told me this himself. He hates the fact that he isn't in Iraq.


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Jecht wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 08:52

Dreganius wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 03:26

I have to disagree with 1 part: "VOLUNTEERED"

They did so because they're pumped with fear and violence every day, because they are poor and looking for a quick fix, so to speak, and because they have propaganda thrown in their faces from the military.

Now, I expect a good page of flaming to ensue, so I'm probably not even going to bother looking at this thread again.


Don't group everyone up into that category. My neighbor is a marine and he WANTS to see combat. He told me this himself. He hates the fact that he isn't in Iraq.


There will be exceptions but doesn't mean the majority are not influenced by what Dreganius is talking about.


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Muad Dib15 wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 08:32

He was our best choice. In 2004 we had to vote for the lesser of the two evils. John Kerry was just an idiot and was the more of the two evils.


You didn't have to vote for them, nobody was forcing you to.
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Dreganius wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 05:20

cnc95fan wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 21:52

Gerorge Bush is either Evil or mentaly disturbed.


He's neither. He doesn't make any decisions for the country, others do that for him. You still think that the President runs the entire country? Hah! Nope. There are people higher up. Have you ever wondered why presidents that really would have changed the world got ASSASSINATED?

Anyhow, George Bush can't even decide which sock to wear, let alone run a country.

Quote:

"This war is a Crusade"

Several days later.
Quote:

I retract that statement"

How can you vote in such a retard he doesn't even know what a crusade is..


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310200 is a reply to message #310140] Sat, 12 January 2008 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dreganius wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 07:20

cnc95fan wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 21:52

Gerorge Bush is either Evil or mentaly disturbed.


He's neither. He doesn't make any decisions for the country, others do that for him. You still think that the President runs the entire country? Hah! Nope. There are people higher up. Have you ever wondered why presidents that really would have changed the world got ASSASSINATED?

Anyhow, George Bush can't even decide which sock to wear, let alone run a country.


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Re: US bashing (I strike back) [message #310414 is a reply to message #310056] Sat, 12 January 2008 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's some news, seems that America's run by the banks and their owners.

According to Zeitgeist, that is. www.zeitgeistmovie.com


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cnc95fan wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 13:10


Quote:

"This war is a Crusade"

Several days later.
Quote:

I retract that statement"

How can you vote in such a retard he doesn't even know what a crusade is..

How does this prove he doesn't know what a crusade is?

It means he realized he said something that pissed off a shitload of Muslims and retracted it.

But how can I reply to such a retard who doesn't even know what "retract" means?


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Dreganius wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 04:26

I have to disagree with 1 part: "VOLUNTEERED"

They did so because they're pumped with fear and violence every day, because they are poor and looking for a quick fix, so to speak, and because they have propaganda thrown in their faces from the military.

Now, I expect a good page of flaming to ensue, so I'm probably not even going to bother looking at this thread again.


I really awt to slap you for that comment. My Uncle, being so low knowledge with using a computer, made me go with him step-by-step into getting him hired for a job out there, which he is now there today. I had to type up resumes and send emails.

He is now a work foreman running mid-night convoys from one town to the next.

He isn't a marine, he isn't fighting, he is helping to rebuild, but that doesn't mean the Iraqis won't try and kill him. Just a few months ago one of the vehicles in his convoy was hit by a roadside bomb.

And not only that, but he went there back in I believe 05. He has visited back home one time so far, and has refused to come back home ever since.

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Well slap me then. I was talking about the majority. Your uncle is obviously not part of that majority.

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Dreganius wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 03:26

I have to disagree with 1 part: "VOLUNTEERED"

They did so because they're pumped with fear and violence every day, because they are poor and looking for a quick fix, so to speak, and because they have propaganda thrown in their faces from the military.

Now, I expect a good page of flaming to ensue, so I'm probably not even going to bother looking at this thread again.

The other day I was talking to somebody in the armed forces. I asked him "Do you support the war?" and he responded "I support whatever my country wants me to do." Basing an assumption on what he said, yes, they DID volunteer.

[quote title=Dover wrote on Sat, 12 January 2008 00:39]Funny how he justifies the cold war part. "Oh, that was against communism. It doesn't count. The blame goes to the soviets". Horse shit. Also, he forgot the war of 1812. And all those "wars" with Native Americans (Oh, people hate to bring up Native Americans in threads like this--it tends to knock the US down a notch). In fact, he forgot all of these.
What country are you from Dover? It says you are from the U.S., but by the way you talk about it, it doesn't seem like you are.


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Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 13 January 2008 22:39

Funny how he justifies the cold war part. "Oh, that was against communism. It doesn't count. The blame goes to the soviets". Horse shit.

But he didn't say that. He said blame equally falls on the Soviets. Like you can blame the US because the Soviets started to build WMDs in Cuba, right outside the US' bounties.

I don't know about you, but I kind of like the east cost of the United states, it is kinda where I live. Neutral

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R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 13 January 2008 21:54

Sn1per74* wrote on Sun, 13 January 2008 22:39

Funny how he justifies the cold war part. "Oh, that was against communism. It doesn't count. The blame goes to the soviets". Horse shit.

But he didn't say that. He said blame equally falls on the Soviets. Like you can blame the US because the Soviets started to build WMDs in Cuba, right outside the US' bounties.

I don't know about you, but I kind of like the east cost of the United states, it is kinda where I live. Neutral


Funny. I don't recall Soviet Russia having anything to do with Vietnam or Korea.

And how can you be bitching about WMDs in Cuba when the US has bombers capable of carrying nukes from the West Coast to Moscow since the mid-late 1970s? I guess threatening countries with nuclear destruction is only okay when the US does it.


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