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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #307739 is a reply to message #307734] |
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I was referring to the process of them both getting validated.
Just as a theory would be put on hold while facts are being gathered to support it, I see a conspiracy (that has proof) as something that would be put on hold while the gathered evidence are put together to support it.
This is just wrong. But this happens wherever there is war. And the respective militaries cover up incidents that could be covered to maintain their squeaky clean image.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #307761 is a reply to message #302002] |
Thu, 03 January 2008 23:58 |
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R3, are the links proof enough to confirm what I'm saying is true, or do I have to tell you of what the Phoenix Program was?
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308246 is a reply to message #302002] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 13:28 |
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Let me settle this argument:
The US is not ready for a BLACK MUSLIM as their president. We're waring with MUSLIMS right now, and if anyone hasn't already noticed....Blacks aren't exactly the most respected group in America, or on the world scale for that matter. Picking him to be our president would mean 2 things:
1, We'd be total hypocrits. We go over to start a war with muslims, then elect one as our president. Fishy, huh?
2, Blacks aren't ''equal'' to whites. Despite what you may think, blacks are NOT and for quite a while will not BE equal to whites. And why? Simply because they aren't treated the same way, or looked at the same way as whites, they're still seen even TODAY as the lower genetic classes, true or not. Sure, certain black people make it to the top, but not without going through hell to get there. 90% of the people in power today are whites, and for the reason of.............RACISM. ISN'T. OVER.
I hate to break it to all of you who love Obama, but I have some news for you, believe it or not:
Obama isn't going to win. He CAN'T win. Don't you understand why he was put in the election? To make it seem like Blacks and Muslims, America's two most hated minorities, are becoming more ''equal'', not that he would actually WIN.
Campaigns for the most part are hoaxes, they tell you the elections are 100% fair and equal, but they aren't. Because racism isn't over, will NEVER BE over, as long as the majority of people in the country and world is White, Whites will always be the ones in power. That may make some of you angry, or think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm just telling you the cold hard truth.
And...@ Rocko: You want to know the reason racism isn't over and will never be over? Because you haven't excepted the fact that your race isn't in power right now, and chances are, won't be for a very, VERY long time. Its not over because you make comments like, ''So my people can take over''. I have some news for you, your ''people'' as you call us won't be taking over, due to the fact that this IS a White country, and has been for the last, oh, 200 some years.
And by the way, just so I can assure you I'm not a white Supremacist, I'm Black. Yeah, that sounds pretty self-hating, but its not, its just the truth, and I've come to accept it.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308247 is a reply to message #302002] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 13:30 |
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You're not at war with muslims, you're at war with terrorists (More accurately, you're at war with the concept of terrorism, which means you can't win, until you control people's minds... lol!)
The fact is, the terrorists just tend to be muslims, it's not related. There are many parts of the Ko'ran which preach peace, just like the bible.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308249 is a reply to message #308246] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 13:32 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 20:28 |
Let me settle this argument:
The US is not ready for a BLACK MUSLIM as their president. We're waring with MUSLIMS right now, and if anyone hasn't already noticed....Blacks aren't exactly the most respected group in America, or on the world scale for that matter. Picking him to be our president would mean 2 things:
1, We'd be total hypocrits. We go over to start a war with muslims, then elect one as our president. Fishy, huh?
2, Blacks aren't ''equal'' to whites. Despite what you may think, blacks are NOT and for quite a while will not BE equal to whites. And why? Simply because they aren't treated the same way, or looked at the same way as whites, they're still seen even TODAY as the lower genetic classes, true or not. Sure, certain black people make it to the top, but not without going through hell to get there. 90% of the people in power today are whites, and for the reason of.............RACISM. ISN'T. OVER.
I hate to break it to all of you who love Obama, but I have some news for you, believe it or not:
Obama isn't going to win. He CAN'T win. Don't you understand why he was put in the election? To make it seem like Blacks and Muslims, America's two most hated minorities, are becoming more ''equal'', not that he would actually WIN.
Campaigns for the most part are hoaxes, they tell you the elections are 100% fair and equal, but they aren't. Because racism isn't over, will NEVER BE over, as long as the majority of people in the country and world is White, Whites will always be the ones in power. That may make some of you angry, or think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm just telling you the cold hard truth.
And...@ Rocko: You want to know the reason racism isn't over and will never be over? Because you haven't excepted the fact that your race isn't in power right now, and chances are, won't be for a very, VERY long time. Its not over because you make comments like, ''So my people can take over''. I have some news for you, your ''people'' as you call us won't be taking over, due to the fact that this IS a White country, and has been for the last, oh, 200 some years.
And by the way, just so I can assure you I'm not a white Supremacist, I'm Black. Yeah, that sounds pretty self-hating, but its not, its just the truth, and I've come to accept it.
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Muslims aren't terrorists you fool.
way to go ruin your speech, rofl.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308252 is a reply to message #308249] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 13:37 |
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| Ryu wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 14:32 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 20:28 |
Let me settle this argument:
The US is not ready for a BLACK MUSLIM as their president. We're waring with MUSLIMS right now, and if anyone hasn't already noticed....Blacks aren't exactly the most respected group in America, or on the world scale for that matter. Picking him to be our president would mean 2 things:
1, We'd be total hypocrits. We go over to start a war with muslims, then elect one as our president. Fishy, huh?
2, Blacks aren't ''equal'' to whites. Despite what you may think, blacks are NOT and for quite a while will not BE equal to whites. And why? Simply because they aren't treated the same way, or looked at the same way as whites, they're still seen even TODAY as the lower genetic classes, true or not. Sure, certain black people make it to the top, but not without going through hell to get there. 90% of the people in power today are whites, and for the reason of.............RACISM. ISN'T. OVER.
I hate to break it to all of you who love Obama, but I have some news for you, believe it or not:
Obama isn't going to win. He CAN'T win. Don't you understand why he was put in the election? To make it seem like Blacks and Muslims, America's two most hated minorities, are becoming more ''equal'', not that he would actually WIN.
Campaigns for the most part are hoaxes, they tell you the elections are 100% fair and equal, but they aren't. Because racism isn't over, will NEVER BE over, as long as the majority of people in the country and world is White, Whites will always be the ones in power. That may make some of you angry, or think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm just telling you the cold hard truth.
And...@ Rocko: You want to know the reason racism isn't over and will never be over? Because you haven't excepted the fact that your race isn't in power right now, and chances are, won't be for a very, VERY long time. Its not over because you make comments like, ''So my people can take over''. I have some news for you, your ''people'' as you call us won't be taking over, due to the fact that this IS a White country, and has been for the last, oh, 200 some years.
And by the way, just so I can assure you I'm not a white Supremacist, I'm Black. Yeah, that sounds pretty self-hating, but its not, its just the truth, and I've come to accept it.
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Muslims aren't terrorists you fool.
way to go ruin your speech, rofl.
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Actually my witty little friend, its been statistically proven that 78% or more of Muslims in the Middle East ARE affiliated with Al Queada.
Also, I think you fail to see THE POINT OF THE POST. I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists. I'm saying, we have a constant eye out for Muslims. We dislike them, and treat them like crap, for better or for worse. We are waging war with MUSLIMS. Terrorists or non-terrorists.
So please, spare us your ''witt'' and try not to make anymore of a fool out of yourself than you already have.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308272 is a reply to message #308252] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 14:47 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 20:37 |
| Ryu wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 14:32 |
| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 20:28 |
Let me settle this argument:
The US is not ready for a BLACK MUSLIM as their president. We're waring with MUSLIMS right now, and if anyone hasn't already noticed....Blacks aren't exactly the most respected group in America, or on the world scale for that matter. Picking him to be our president would mean 2 things:
1, We'd be total hypocrits. We go over to start a war with muslims, then elect one as our president. Fishy, huh?
2, Blacks aren't ''equal'' to whites. Despite what you may think, blacks are NOT and for quite a while will not BE equal to whites. And why? Simply because they aren't treated the same way, or looked at the same way as whites, they're still seen even TODAY as the lower genetic classes, true or not. Sure, certain black people make it to the top, but not without going through hell to get there. 90% of the people in power today are whites, and for the reason of.............RACISM. ISN'T. OVER.
I hate to break it to all of you who love Obama, but I have some news for you, believe it or not:
Obama isn't going to win. He CAN'T win. Don't you understand why he was put in the election? To make it seem like Blacks and Muslims, America's two most hated minorities, are becoming more ''equal'', not that he would actually WIN.
Campaigns for the most part are hoaxes, they tell you the elections are 100% fair and equal, but they aren't. Because racism isn't over, will NEVER BE over, as long as the majority of people in the country and world is White, Whites will always be the ones in power. That may make some of you angry, or think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm just telling you the cold hard truth.
And...@ Rocko: You want to know the reason racism isn't over and will never be over? Because you haven't excepted the fact that your race isn't in power right now, and chances are, won't be for a very, VERY long time. Its not over because you make comments like, ''So my people can take over''. I have some news for you, your ''people'' as you call us won't be taking over, due to the fact that this IS a White country, and has been for the last, oh, 200 some years.
And by the way, just so I can assure you I'm not a white Supremacist, I'm Black. Yeah, that sounds pretty self-hating, but its not, its just the truth, and I've come to accept it.
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Muslims aren't terrorists you fool.
way to go ruin your speech, rofl.
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Actually my witty little friend, its been statistically proven that 78% or more of Muslims in the Middle East ARE affiliated with Al Queada.
Also, I think you fail to see THE POINT OF THE POST. I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists. I'm saying, we have a constant eye out for Muslims. We dislike them, and treat them like crap, for better or for worse. We are waging war with MUSLIMS. Terrorists or non-terrorists.
So please, spare us your ''witt'' and try not to make anymore of a fool out of yourself than you already have.
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1) Back up that statistic.
2) No, you're waging war with terrorists, who happen to be Muslim. They could equally be any other faith or agnostic or athiest, they just happen to be Muslim.
(On a side note, you're actually waging war with Islamic extremists, as the average Muslim isn't violent, either)
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308286 is a reply to message #308246] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 15:55 |
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| MWright967 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 20:28 |
Let me settle this argument:
The US is not ready for a BLACK MUSLIM as their president. We're waring with MUSLIMS right now, and if anyone hasn't already noticed....Blacks aren't exactly the most respected group in America, or on the world scale for that matter. Picking him to be our president would mean 2 things:
1, We'd be total hypocrits. We go over to start a war with muslims, then elect one as our president. Fishy, huh?
2, Blacks aren't ''equal'' to whites. Despite what you may think, blacks are NOT and for quite a while will not BE equal to whites. And why? Simply because they aren't treated the same way, or looked at the same way as whites, they're still seen even TODAY as the lower genetic classes, true or not. Sure, certain black people make it to the top, but not without going through hell to get there. 90% of the people in power today are whites, and for the reason of.............RACISM. ISN'T. OVER.
I hate to break it to all of you who love Obama, but I have some news for you, believe it or not:
Obama isn't going to win. He CAN'T win. Don't you understand why he was put in the election? To make it seem like Blacks and Muslims, America's two most hated minorities, are becoming more ''equal'', not that he would actually WIN.
Campaigns for the most part are hoaxes, they tell you the elections are 100% fair and equal, but they aren't. Because racism isn't over, will NEVER BE over, as long as the majority of people in the country and world is White, Whites will always be the ones in power. That may make some of you angry, or think I'm a racist. I'm not. I'm just telling you the cold hard truth.
And...@ Rocko: You want to know the reason racism isn't over and will never be over? Because you haven't excepted the fact that your race isn't in power right now, and chances are, won't be for a very, VERY long time. Its not over because you make comments like, ''So my people can take over''. I have some news for you, your ''people'' as you call us won't be taking over, due to the fact that this IS a White country, and has been for the last, oh, 200 some years.
And by the way, just so I can assure you I'm not a white Supremacist, I'm Black. Yeah, that sounds pretty self-hating, but its not, its just the truth, and I've come to accept it.
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ur a disgrace to your own people boy
black and proud
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308293 is a reply to message #308286] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 16:30 |
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You are just as racist as every single person in this thread. 
It is completely impossible to deny or escape it. Tell me something that "proves" you aren't and I will tell you something why you are.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308296 is a reply to message #308293] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 16:43 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 17:30 |
You are just as racist as every single person in this thread.
It is completely impossible to deny or escape it. Tell me something that "proves" you aren't and I will tell you something why you are.
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I'm not racist because I don't believe in the superiority of any race. I do however believe that certain races are in power. And right now, whites are in power. Thats not being racist, thats being realistic. If I don't like it, and don't want to believe it, so what? It doesn't make it any less true. THEY are the police. THEY are the army. THEY are the authority figures. The rest of us are just the civilians, and the fact is, if they wanted all of us dead tomorrow, we couldn't do shit about it.
I don't hate white people, and I don't hate anyone. The mongolians were the ones in power not too long ago in human history, and then the romans, and now the whites. We all have our day in the sun. Trying to say, ''No we're the best, we're just building up our army'' and shit like that isn't true, its just stupid.
For all I know, whites may be in power till the end of all humans. However, I do know, that they aren't, or don't APPEAR to be any better than anyone else, and we're not any better than anyone else. They just organized themselves to achieve a better position. Most of us didn't.
You can call me racist. I'm not. You want to know what the definition of racism is? Extreme hatred or disgust with a race. I don't have that. I'm a realist. I don't live in a freaking dream world that ''Blacks are the all powerfull'', or that ''Whites are the dang gone devils come to rape our world!''. I don't believe that shit, its all hocus pocus.
You all can be some ignorant dumb fucks if you like, and call me
racist, a race traitor, stupid, whatever. I don't give a crap what you think. But the fact is, whites are in power, and theres nothing we can do to change that. If they lose their position to anyone, its going to be the Mexicans or the Chinese.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308300 is a reply to message #308296] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 16:55 |
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How would you describe a person who, how should I put it...
A person who doesn't hate or discriminate any specific race in particular. They do not believe in any one race being superior, however they DO pay attention to race.
For example, if this person was on a bus and an Asian guy gets on and sits next to him, the person takes a special mental note that the person is Asian.
Or if the person is walking down the street in an urban area late at night and no one around, and they see a Black guy walking towards them and starts to worry about if something is going to happen or not.
Because this type of person isn't discriminating anyone. They are only paying special attention to race.
So how would you describe that?
Or as another example, what is the difference between a taxi cab driver that allows every race in his cab (And specifically advertises that he allows all races in his cab) and a taxi cab driver who doesn't allow Black guys in his cab?
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308302 is a reply to message #308301] |
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You're going to have to explain that one to me. 
I didn't specifically call him a racist. I just acted on what he said about himself not being a racist.
By someone saying that their are not a racist is just like saying my name doesn't start with an R.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308333 is a reply to message #308322] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 18:55 |
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huh?
Everyone is racist. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. (I mean maybe not 'everyone' but it is very, VERY hard not to be. I'm talking blow up a car with a staple gun hard.)
You see being racist is thinking one race is superior to another, or discriminated against.
However, nowhere does it say the racist themselves has to be the one CAUSING the racism.
Racism can all be in the head.
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There are 3 people. One person is Mexican, one is White, and the other is Black. With me so far?
Now, the White guy goes to the Mexican and discriminates him with whatever you see fit for being "discriminatory" (I'm not going into details.)
The Black guy is sitting on the sidelines watching this, not involved with the other 2 in the least. This person watches what is happening and in his mind disagrees with what the White guy is saying. He refuses to believe that what the White guy is saying to the Mexican is worth even listening too.
Since the Black guy does not know either one of the other 2 people, he simply references them as White man and Mexican man in his mind. He thinks of himself as he watches what is happening in front of him. And he realizes how much better he is than the White guy because he isn't the one being racist. (Or so he thinks)
All 3 people in my opinion (with maybe the exception of the Mexican, depending on your own interpretation of the story) are racist.
-The White guy is racist because he is discriminating the Mexican because of Race.
-The Mexican is because he (might) be thinking that the White guy is superior to him.
-The Black guy is because he thinks he is superior to the White guy and the Mexican. Superior to the White guy for not going out of his way to discriminate, and to the Mexican for feeling sorry he isn't standing up for himself)
Anyway, if you aren't getting my stretch of an example, I will do my best to explain it in another way:
You can be a racist and be a person who is prejudice against a specific race (or multiple races) or believe your race is superior. OR you can be a racist who disagrees that any one race is superior to another OR that other races are superior to your own.
Because as it turns out, you are still segregating race in your mind. You may be doing it subconsciously but you are doing it. The only way, IMO, to not be racist is to disregard race completely.
OH, and BTW, I did say that I wanted you to say why you thought you weren't racist and I would say why you where, however I did not say that I had to respond within the next post. I still haven't told you yet.
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Because as it turns out, you are still segregating race in your mind. You may be doing it subconsciously but you are doing it. The only way, IMO, to not be racist is to disregard race completely.
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And thank my good sir, you just admitted to being one by saying ''Not being racist is like not having R in my name''.
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I just caught this. No I did not say that. You can scroll up and read it again if you like, but that is not what I said.
What I said was more along the lines of this: "A PERSON saying that they themselves are NOT a racist, is just like me saying that my name does not start with an R"
What you wrote, put quotes around, and said was mine was nothing but a failed attempt to say I said something I did not.
However, I will not disagree that I think I am racist, along with every other person who posted, read, or even viewed the topic name of this thread.
I am the kind of racist who believes no one race is superior to another. Much like yourself, from what I can gather.
(I want to say one thing that is off topic a tad bit... from one debate opponent to another, and not saying anything bad about you personally, just you need to work on your quoting skills, because it will one day get you into trouble. What you did is called plagiarism and it is a very heavily weighed law in writing, and you can be sent to jail because of it. I counted two times that you did it.
But if you don't know what I'm talking, I'd be happy to help: When you quote someone, let it be from whatever source, if you are quoting it, it needs to be word for word. Even if the overall theme of what was written is there, the words need to be there too!)
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308365 is a reply to message #302002] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 20:40 |
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@ R3: Thats your problem. You think I see the other people as the bad people. I don't. I told you this once and I'll tell you again:
I think everyone is pretty much equal, give or take. I don't like one race more than the other. If me, part of the Black racial group was to do over the White racial group, I wouldn't care who dies, I wouldn't have a preferance, because I'm not racist, I don't value one person over another.
You think everyone is racist because YOU are racist. I'm not racist. I don't like whites more than I like blacks, and I don't like blacks more than I like whites. They're just people when all comes down to it.
So please, don't clump me in with racists, because if EVERYONE was a racist, there would be no such word, just like theres no word for ''People who eat food and stuff'', because its a given, its possessed by everyone. For there to be a word FOR something, there has to be a lack thereof.
Not everyone is a racist. Learn it, and try to live it.
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| Re: OBAMA for president [message #308377 is a reply to message #308365] |
Sun, 06 January 2008 21:49 |
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You didn't read my post...
Or if you did, you didn't understand it...
I used to think like this: I used to think I wasn't racist, until one day I was sitting there pondering.. something and all of a sudden it hit me. There is really no way you can't be racist unless you where brought up without ever being taught that people could be distinguished by race.
I can't really paraphrase what my above post said, so can you just please read it? (It took me a while to get the story straight.. I edited it like 30 times)
But the reason I can tell you didn't read it is because what you just said directly conflicts with what I said.
I said you are still a racist for "this", "this", and "this." And then you just said you aren't a racist for one of the same reasons I said people ARE racist.
I already said that I don't think any race is superior to another. Every race is equal. But by me thinking that, I am being racist!
Anyway, what I am saying is, one person cannot consider themselves as not a racist, because the very fact that they said that is racist.
And if you can 100% prove me wrong, doesn't only mean you aren't racist, but I am not either.
It is like the cretan's paradox. When a cretan says that all cretans are liars.
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Actually my witty little friend, its been statistically proven that 78% or more of Muslims in the Middle East ARE affiliated with Al Queada.
Also, I think you fail to see THE POINT OF THE POST. I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists. I'm saying, we have a constant eye out for Muslims. We dislike them, and treat them like crap, for better or for worse. We are waging war with MUSLIMS. Terrorists or non-terrorists.
So please, spare us your ''witt'' and try not to make anymore of a fool out of yourself than you already have.
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Probably the most ignorant post I've seen in this thread...
78% or more Muslims in the Mid East affiliated with Al Qaeda? 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, wouldn't that mean that Al Qaeda has over a billion affiliates? Half the people at my school are middle eastern, I don't know a single one who supports Al Qaeda, let alone is affiliated with it.
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