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| PlastoJoe wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 08:28 |
| Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 06:10 |
Using your logic, I'm driving a car with you and someone else riding along. A truck comes and hits us head-on, killing me and our buddy, and they charge YOU with our deaths...does that make sense?
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You're comparing a traffic accident with a robbery? I don't think I have to tell you that that doesn't make any sense.
If you're drunk, yes it does make sense. If you're driving recklessly, either because you think it's fun or you're trying to hit someone, yes it does make sense.
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Note in my example I specificaly said that I, the driver, was among the two killed, so it wouldnt matter if I was driving drunk or not...the irony of the situation is the same...the survivor of the group being charged with the murder of the other two, even though he had nothing to do with killing them.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297231 is a reply to message #297186] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 01:37 |
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| Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 16:54 |
Note in my example I specificaly said that I, the driver, was among the two killed, so it wouldnt matter if I was driving drunk or not...the irony of the situation is the same...
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it kinda would actually... if you were driving drunk you're -a- breaking the law and -b- obviously greatly increasing the risk of this happening. if you were sober and paying attention to the road, that's not really comparable to breaking into someone's house and battering someone to the point of brain damage. The passengers in your car wouldn't be at fault at all if you were sober, I could understand if you were drunk they should've taken your keys or w/e, but otherwise it's a flawed analogy.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297273 is a reply to message #297058] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 12:04 |
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first off blazer, a guy i went to college with was injured in a car accident, caused by his drunk friend flipping the suv they were in while driving them home. now he has to go to the chiropractor every week to get his spine readjusted or w/e.
and he sued the driver (his friend) for driving drunk and flipping the suv and he won. so yes as a driver you do have the responsibility for all in the car. and if you are drunk and crash and kill someone you are going to get charged with it (manslaughter or whatever).
but back to the article, i would charge the remaining robber with break and entry, assault. or mayb even attempt at murder.
but the owner i think should not be charged with anything since he is defending his family and property.
i mean put yourself in his shoes, you wake up at night to find some robbers/thieves beating the shit out of your family member.
to me its enough justification to kill them, hell i would have shot them in their face with prob no remorse.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297274 is a reply to message #297273] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 12:13 |
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| Romaner wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 14:04 |
i mean put yourself in his shoes, you wake up at night to find some robbers/thieves beating the shit out of your family member.
to me its enough justification to kill them, hell i would have shot them in their face with prob no remorse.
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To me, that is a justification to put you in jail. They where running away at the time he fired the weapon, therefore they weren't causing harm AT THE TIME of the gun being fired, that is why he should be held accountable for murder.
If he fired the gun as they where beating up a family member, it would be a different story. However, even still it should be charged for murder, however in self defense. But still, there is no excuse to kill someone.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297283 is a reply to message #297058] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 13:50 |
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ok i guess i got to admit that shooting someone in the back is not what i mean by "they deserve it" but if they were in the process of beating someone from my family up then yes they would be shot. but as they are running away is a bit extreme.
but what would you do if you were in this guys shoes?
call the cops? they probably wont show up there until the next day let alone find anyone. and i didnt read the article but someone here said that the guys family member suffered brain damage. that brings me to a conclusion that he was beaten very badly, so what would you do in the home owners case, when you see your family member on the floor, badly beaten and 3 fuckers running away?
call me extreme but if someone fucks with my family i will take justice into my own hands.
and what do you mean you would put me in jail? i havent done anything wrong. its just my opinion that i am voicing right now.
im not a violent person but i go into rage when someone physically harms any member of my family. i dont attack first, never have and probably never will, but once provoked i loose control.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297313 is a reply to message #297274] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 17:17 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 14:13 |
| Romaner wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 14:04 |
i mean put yourself in his shoes, you wake up at night to find some robbers/thieves beating the shit out of your family member.
to me its enough justification to kill them, hell i would have shot them in their face with prob no remorse.
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To me, that is a justification to put you in jail. They where running away at the time he fired the weapon, therefore they weren't causing harm AT THE TIME of the gun being fired, that is why he should be held accountable for murder.
If he fired the gun as they where beating up a family member, it would be a different story. However, even still it should be charged for murder, however in self defense. But still, there is no excuse to kill someone.
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They were on his property... uninvited. To me, that's reason enough to open a can of whoop-ass on someone, fatally wounding them or not. Don't trespass, and you won't be killed.
I mean, you'd have to be pretty stupid to be that passive when someone is on your property, running away from you or not. They're on your property, and you should be able to take justice into your own hands on private property.
whoa.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297413 is a reply to message #297313] |
Sun, 18 November 2007 10:02 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 00:17 |
| razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 14:13 |
| Romaner wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 14:04 |
i mean put yourself in his shoes, you wake up at night to find some robbers/thieves beating the shit out of your family member.
to me its enough justification to kill them, hell i would have shot them in their face with prob no remorse.
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To me, that is a justification to put you in jail. They where running away at the time he fired the weapon, therefore they weren't causing harm AT THE TIME of the gun being fired, that is why he should be held accountable for murder.
If he fired the gun as they where beating up a family member, it would be a different story. However, even still it should be charged for murder, however in self defense. But still, there is no excuse to kill someone.
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They were on his property... uninvited. To me, that's reason enough to open a can of whoop-ass on someone, fatally wounding them or not. Don't trespass, and you won't be killed.
I mean, you'd have to be pretty stupid to be that passive when someone is on your property, running away from you or not. They're on your property, and you should be able to take justice into your own hands on private property.
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You should, but if you did that in England, the surviving member would get your house, the families of his dead friends would sue every penny from you and you'd be put in jail the rest of your life for use of excessive force.....
This rule apparently doesn't apply to police officers, who pinned down an unarmmed Brazilian man in our London underground and shot him in the head 7 times......but that's another topic.
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| Re: Homeowner shoots and kills robbers...surviving robber charged with the murder! [message #297850 is a reply to message #297273] |
Tue, 20 November 2007 05:17 |
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| Romaner wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 12:04 |
first off blazer, a guy i went to college with was injured in a car accident, caused by his drunk friend flipping the suv they were in while driving them home. now he has to go to the chiropractor every week to get his spine readjusted or w/e.
and he sued the driver (his friend) for driving drunk and flipping the suv and he won. so yes as a driver you do have the responsibility for all in the car. and if you are drunk and crash and kill someone you are going to get charged with it (manslaughter or whatever).
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Why the fuck is everyone talking about drunk driving now, and basically misquoting my post as saying I was driving drunk? In my example I the driver and another passenger are killed, and the other surviving PASSENGER gets charged with OUR murders. Driving drunk has NOTHING to do with the irony of the situation I was pointing out in that circumstance.
| Romaner wrote on Sat, 17 November 2007 12:04 |
but the owner i think should not be charged with anything since he is defending his family and property.
i mean put yourself in his shoes, you wake up at night to find some robbers/thieves beating the shit out of your family member.
to me its enough justification to kill them, hell i would have shot them in their face with prob no remorse.
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*sigh* Did you even READ the post? We aren't talking about whether or not the owner should be charged, we are talking about why in the hell one of the robbers would be charged with the murder of his "friends", when he didn't kill them, and was doing nothing but running for his life. If you actually took time to read the thread, you would see that I even said I had no problem with the owner shooting them, what is fucked up however, is charging someone with murder who did not commit murder (regardless of what a piece of shit he is for breaking and entering and committing assault).
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Tue, 20 November 2007 09:32 |
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| Kytten9 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 11:02 |
You should, but if you did that in England, the surviving member would get your house, the families of his dead friends would sue every penny from you and you'd be put in jail the rest of your life for use of excessive force.....
This rule apparently doesn't apply to police officers, who pinned down an unarmmed Brazilian man in our London underground and shot him in the head 7 times......but that's another topic.
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Thats a pretty broken system...
Heres my take on this situation. If you don't rob someone, you won't get shot. It's a pretty simple concept. If someone robs me, even if they are fleeing, they can expect I'll shoot to kill. I wish my state was like Texas, where that right is extended to your immediate neighbors as well. That means if someone robs your neighbors, and you know about it, you can blow them away as if it were your own house.
Texas is a great state. 
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