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| Rocko wrote on Sat, 10 November 2007 02:56 |
This may seem wrong. but did anyone prefer it when Saddam was in power and was there to fight with Iran?
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The US government certainly preferred it until they decided cheap oil was better than selling Saddam weapons and then using those weapons as a pretext for war.
Before anyone calls me anti-American, no, that's not anti-US because my country's done even more to fuck up the Iraq situation than America has.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296243 is a reply to message #296192] |
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No, I dislike the fact we've been selling weapons to psychopaths and still do. I'm merely pointing out the utter stupidity of trying to use WMDs as a pretext for war when the truth is we've known the kind of atrocities Saddam perpetrated and we carried on selling him weapons regardless so he could carry on doing them.
It'd be awesome if we just got out of the Middle East and stayed out. Sadly we're too dependent on oil for that.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296299 is a reply to message #296269] |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 17:29 |
It may not be our fault
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I didn't say "that's not our fault". I said "that's our fault".
| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 17:29 |
but if we leave, than that gives the US a bad image.
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worse than it already is thanks to Iraq? and since when is this worth one person's life let alone the thousands of American, hundred-plus British and fuck knows how many Iraqi lives this war has cost?
| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 17:29 |
That be like the US helping a poor person, then suddenly quitting because they came to the resolution "Hey, why do I have to help you? I'm rich, your poor! HAHAHA *walks away*"
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I don't know where to begin telling you why this analogy doesn't fit the Iraq war, I really don't.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296343 is a reply to message #295751] |
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Well, regardless of what has transpired, we need to let them have enough time to cleanup the mess.
Give our troops enough time to rebuild what was bombed, reestablish order in the communities and develop enough government to leave them more than an Al Queada power vaccuum.
If we don't, we are irresponsible and will be back to do it later when the fundamentalists seize control and use the assets of Iraq to perpetrate their agenda. (See the Nod World Domination handbook page 33 in the section about using media)
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296354 is a reply to message #296299] |
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Ok, you said it IS our fault. That gives the US an even WORSE image. We mess something up, then leave without fixing it? Thats like me coming to your house, blasting a hole in the wall and leaving without saying anything...
Also, to what I described, it would give a worse image to what the US has done already. I personally don't see anything wrong with what the US is doing now...
Also the analogy, that is what I do, I make up stuff like that to make the situation seem more understandable. By no means was I indicating economic standings by saying that. I was indicating that a capable being was able to help an incapable being but then suddenly stopping cause they felt like it.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296379 is a reply to message #296343] |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 11:05 |
Well, regardless of what has transpired, we need to let them have enough time to cleanup the mess.
Give our troops enough time to rebuild what was bombed, reestablish order in the communities and develop enough government to leave them more than an Al Queada power vaccuum.
If we don't, we are irresponsible and will be back to do it later when the fundamentalists seize control and use the assets of Iraq to perpetrate their agenda. (See the Nod World Domination handbook page 33 in the section about using media)
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The West is the reason the Iraqi government is so feeble, which is why we're getting such a good deal for the "assets of Iraq" right now.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296412 is a reply to message #296409] |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 16:07 |
How do you figure 100 dollars a barrell is a good deal?
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It's the proper price.
Plus, it's an incentive to find alternative fuels.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296440 is a reply to message #296409] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 17:01 |
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| KIRBY-098 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 16:07 |
How do you figure 100 dollars a barrell is a good deal?
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- The fact the law allocating Iraqi oil reserves was written by the American government, and it gives 17 of the 80 known Iraqi oil fields to the Iraqis (lol)
- The fact that millions of Iraqi middle class have fled the country thanks to the violence, meaning the oil industry can't be run by that middle class, meaning it has to be run by America
- The fact that the Iraqi govermnent is sufficiently weak to ratify America's law. Were they stronger (and if America hadn't disbanded the civil service and the army, they probably would be) America wouldn't have gotten such a good deal. Were they very strong and independent, Iraq could have simply nationalised the oil, and god knows America didn't want that
- The fact that the violence in Iraq justifies the Americans being there at all and building their permanent bases, one of which (Balad) has the second busiest runway in the world, only behind Heathrow (again, "lol" is the only word that really sums this up)
It's a good deal for the ones pulling the strings behind the war in the first place. They're getting what they wanted. I didn't say anything about the end consumer getting a cheaper gas tank.
There's a very strong argument for saying that the "mess" Iraq is in isn't a "mess" at all, but a remarkably well-executed plan.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296448 is a reply to message #296445] |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 18:13 |
Indeed.
And the name of the plan is:
And it's working.
Needless to say: shocking and true.
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I'm sorry dude, but it'd be wiser to take foreign policy advice from a bloody, meth-laced, coke-ridden stool expelled from Paris Hilton's rectum, than that organization.
Spreading 'Americanism' barely worked against the Communists, and it certainly won't work in today's world.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296460 is a reply to message #296431] |
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| jimmyny wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 18:19 |
If anyone is likely to nuke anything its gonna be the US
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Don't get your hopes up with that. The US is the most LEAST likely country to nuke another out of anger. I mean even if we wanted to, it would take more than just one person saying "LOLK NUKE!"
The only time the US even needed to use a nuke was to end WWII quickly after the Japanese randomly attacked Pearl Harbor. However, as it turns out if we had not of used it, the war would of ended anyway, because they were about to surrender... but it just goes to show you that we don't need nuclear weapons.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296466 is a reply to message #296299] |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 01:45 |
| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 17:29 |
but if we leave, than that gives the US a bad image.
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worse than it already is thanks to Iraq? and since when is this worth one person's life let alone the thousands of American, hundred-plus British and fuck knows how many Iraqi lives this war has cost?
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After 6 years dumbass. Think about how many lives WW1 and WW2 cost after 4 and 6 respectivly years of fighting. Over 1.5MILLION for WW1 and about 1 Million for WW2.
How many have we lost in 6 years? About 250,000? That's only a quarter of WW2 which was fought in the same amount of time.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296467 is a reply to message #296440] |
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There are a plethura of responses to all your conspiracies. I'll reserve them all as I have a feeling you've also heard them.
In fact, I'm fairly certain we've both had this very same debate with others and it is very clear before we even start that there won't be an open dialogue.
I see plenty of idiocy and corruption in the running of the Iraqi government. What I don't see is the US "stealing" oil. Otherwise I wouldn't be going bankrupt right now filling my tank every week.
Quite frankly I wish we HAD seized at least one field so we could be recompensed a little for the enormous expense of being over there. Something all the oil fileds in Iraq couldn't make up for in a decade.
The truth isn't one extreem or another. It's in the middle somewhere and is very often unclear.
Best of luck.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296468 is a reply to message #296466] |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 20:33 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 01:45 |
| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 11 November 2007 17:29 |
but if we leave, than that gives the US a bad image.
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worse than it already is thanks to Iraq? and since when is this worth one person's life let alone the thousands of American, hundred-plus British and fuck knows how many Iraqi lives this war has cost?
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After 6 years dumbass. Think about how many lives WW1 and WW2 cost after 4 and 6 respectivly years of fighting. Over 1.5MILLION for WW1 and about 1 Million for WW2.
How many have we lost in 6 years? About 250,000? That's only a quarter of WW2 which was fought in the same amount of time.
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While you have a point, you really need to hush. You aren't helping intelligent debate.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296494 is a reply to message #296466] |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 20:33 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 01:45 |
worse than it already is thanks to Iraq? and since when is this worth one person's life let alone the thousands of American, hundred-plus British and fuck knows how many Iraqi lives this war has cost?
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After 6 years dumbass.
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What the fuck kind of rebuttal is that? You have to divide the total dead by how long the war lasted all of a sudden? Where the hell is the logic in that?
A war costing, say, 2000 lives and lasting one year is somehow twice as bad as a war costing 2000 lives and lasting two years?
| Muad Dib15 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 20:33 |
Think about how many lives WW1 and WW2 cost after 4 and 6 respectivly years of fighting. Over 1.5MILLION for WW1 and about 1 Million for WW2.
How many have we lost in 6 years? About 250,000? That's only a quarter of WW2 which was fought in the same amount of time.
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Don't even dare to try to compare Iraq to World War 2... for starters, World War 2 was necessary (from the Allies' perspective, obviously) and the "bad guys" "started it".
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There are a plethura of responses to all your conspiracies. I'll reserve them all as I have a feeling you've also heard them.
In fact, I'm fairly certain we've both had this very same debate with others and it is very clear before we even start that there won't be an open dialogue.
I see plenty of idiocy and corruption in the running of the Iraqi government. What I don't see is the US "stealing" oil. Otherwise I wouldn't be going bankrupt right now filling my tank every week.
Quite frankly I wish we HAD seized at least one field so we could be recompensed a little for the enormous expense of being over there. Something all the oil fileds in Iraq couldn't make up for in a decade.
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I fail to see the connection between the price you, the American public, are charged for gas, and between anything I've said.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296527 is a reply to message #296431] |
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| jimmyny wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 16:19 |
going on the history of the world there is only 1 country that has ever nuked another in anger.
They are also the country with the most warheads at the moment.
If anyone is likely to nuke anything its gonna be the US
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It's true the US is the only country to use nukes while AT WAR (and used them to END THE WAR), but several countries in the middle east have flat out said, that they want to "Reduce Israel to dust", and "Wipe Israel from the earth". While we have nukes they are for defensive purposes (or MAD)...we don't go around saying that we are going to use them...because we don't want to. By contrast, a country like Iran flat out says they want WMD to destroy Israel...see a slight difference between us and them now?
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