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| warranto wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 08:25 |
That being said, when it comes down to rape or the pregnancy comes down to a medical choice of saving the mother or saving the child, but not both... then abortion is fine.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292360 is a reply to message #292353] |
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| PlastoJoe wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 10:12 |
| warranto wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 07:25 |
That being said, when it comes down to rape or the pregnancy comes down to a medical choice of saving the mother or saving the child, but not both... then abortion is fine.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292361 is a reply to message #292187] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 07:58 |
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Because they are extreme cases. With rape, the pregnancy did not occur by choice. As well, if that does not seem like a big deal, the mental anguish it can cause the mother is something I would not wish on anyone. Just think that if she has the kid, whenever she sees the kid, it would be a reminder of what happened to her. There would always be that underlying resentment toward the child for that. Even if she ends up giving the baby up for adoption, it is still 9 months of constant reminders of what someone did to her whenever she looks in the mirror.
Basically, it boils down to a mental health issue.
As for the medical reasons, it should be fairly obvious. Since it is impossible to save both, you must choose one or loose them both. Since the mother has a life ahead of her and the opportunity to become pregnant again, it is the logical choice to let her live. More often than not, if there is a problem with the pregnancy, there is a very limited stage (if any) in which the developing fetus/child could survive without the mother anyway.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292367 is a reply to message #292187] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 08:29 |
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I said above, I didn't think it was murder.. I think it is something else... but I can't think of the word. 
Also, I am highly against foster homes. It is a place that you send kids, humans, you don't like so that some stranger has to raise them with a bunch of other kids. This stranger could be a good or bad person, and if they are a good person they keep the kid in the house and make him/her look good for people, like the item in the front window of a store. People come in there, judge the crap out of the kids and then take the one they like best, if any at all.
I think kids should either be raised by the mother, or aborted before any important life begins. It is only torture to put them through a foster home. Because also, I forgot to mention, any parent, if they don't like the kid, can return them to a home when ever they want...
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| Re: abortion... [message #292375 is a reply to message #292187] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 08:57 |
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In Italy, the Ru486 pill is illegal. None can use it in my country. The abortions happens in "Ospedali" (hospitals)
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| Re: abortion... [message #292387 is a reply to message #292361] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 09:34 |
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| warranto wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 09:58 |
Because they are extreme cases. With rape, the pregnancy did not occur by choice. As well, if that does not seem like a big deal, the mental anguish it can cause the mother is something I would not wish on anyone. Just think that if she has the kid, whenever she sees the kid, it would be a reminder of what happened to her. There would always be that underlying resentment toward the child for that. Even if she ends up giving the baby up for adoption, it is still 9 months of constant reminders of what someone did to her whenever she looks in the mirror.
Basically, it boils down to a mental health issue.
As for the medical reasons, it should be fairly obvious. Since it is impossible to save both, you must choose one or loose them both. Since the mother has a life ahead of her and the opportunity to become pregnant again, it is the logical choice to let her live. More often than not, if there is a problem with the pregnancy, there is a very limited stage (if any) in which the developing fetus/child could survive without the mother anyway.
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If the mother wasn't raped, couldn't the baby be considered a reminder of the jerkoff who had his fun and left? Would that be easier to deal with than a rape? Is it, in a sense, rape? If the baby was given up for adoption, wouldn't this also give the mother distance without the additional guilt of having taken a life?
If the baby has a right to life, why would it have any less of one if it was conceived through rape? Is it still a wonderful thing that another human being was made despite the brutal way in which it was done? If someone must die, why not the rapist instead of the baby?
As for the medical reasons, I have no ready argument against it although I still don't agree with it.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292388 is a reply to message #292367] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 09:36 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 11:29 |
I said above, I didn't think it was murder.. I think it is something else... but I can't think of the word.
Also, I am highly against foster homes. It is a place that you send kids, humans, you don't like so that some stranger has to raise them with a bunch of other kids. This stranger could be a good or bad person, and if they are a good person they keep the kid in the house and make him/her look good for people, like the item in the front window of a store. People come in there, judge the crap out of the kids and then take the one they like best, if any at all.
I think kids should either be raised by the mother, or aborted before any important life begins. It is only torture to put them through a foster home. Because also, I forgot to mention, any parent, if they don't like the kid, can return them to a home when ever they want...
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Using your logic, I'm going to start killing homeless people. I'll just assume that every homeless person is living a tortured life, and then execute them. Because, hey, what is the point in liberty if you're not enjoying life, right?
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| Re: abortion... [message #292393 is a reply to message #292387] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 10:06 |
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| PlastoJoe wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 10:34 |
| warranto wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 09:58 |
Because they are extreme cases. With rape, the pregnancy did not occur by choice. As well, if that does not seem like a big deal, the mental anguish it can cause the mother is something I would not wish on anyone. Just think that if she has the kid, whenever she sees the kid, it would be a reminder of what happened to her. There would always be that underlying resentment toward the child for that. Even if she ends up giving the baby up for adoption, it is still 9 months of constant reminders of what someone did to her whenever she looks in the mirror.
Basically, it boils down to a mental health issue.
As for the medical reasons, it should be fairly obvious. Since it is impossible to save both, you must choose one or loose them both. Since the mother has a life ahead of her and the opportunity to become pregnant again, it is the logical choice to let her live. More often than not, if there is a problem with the pregnancy, there is a very limited stage (if any) in which the developing fetus/child could survive without the mother anyway.
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If the mother wasn't raped, couldn't the baby be considered a reminder of the jerkoff who had his fun and left? Would that be easier to deal with than a rape? Is it, in a sense, rape? If the baby was given up for adoption, wouldn't this also give the mother distance without the additional guilt of having taken a life?
If the baby has a right to life, why would it have any less of one if it was conceived through rape? Is it still a wonderful thing that another human being was made despite the brutal way in which it was done? If someone must die, why not the rapist instead of the baby?
As for the medical reasons, I have no ready argument against it although I still don't agree with it.
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Unfortunately, CHOOSING to be with a jerk is no one but the mothers fault, and once again, comes down to responsibility. In the matter of rape, there is NO choice involved.
Oh, I agree that the rapist should die, but why should the mother be forced to suffer through that part of her life every second of every day for the next nine months? I could not even begin to imagine what reliving a rape for nine months non-stop could possibly feel like. It's an extreme sort of example to show where abortion would be permissible. There is nothing to say that I think it should happen, but it is an example where it should be allowable.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292450 is a reply to message #292367] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 16:22 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 10:29 |
I said above, I didn't think it was murder.. I think it is something else... but I can't think of the word.
Also, I am highly against foster homes. It is a place that you send kids, humans, you don't like so that some stranger has to raise them with a bunch of other kids. This stranger could be a good or bad person, and if they are a good person they keep the kid in the house and make him/her look good for people, like the item in the front window of a store. People come in there, judge the crap out of the kids and then take the one they like best, if any at all.
I think kids should either be raised by the mother, or aborted before any important life begins. It is only torture to put them through a foster home. Because also, I forgot to mention, any parent, if they don't like the kid, can return them to a home when ever they want...
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I coached a kid(little brother's friend) that another coach decided to adopt, My mother was adopted and My Grandmother spent her entire life helping children through DA Blodgett adoption services.
My mother and my brother's friend's families growing up were, and still are excellent parents.
Fostercare is there and the amount of families that are good FAR outway the bad.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292476 is a reply to message #292367] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 20:18 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Wed, 24 October 2007 10:29 |
Also, I am highly against foster homes. It is a place that you send kids, humans, you don't like so that some stranger has to raise them with a bunch of other kids. This stranger could be a good or bad person, and if they are a good person they keep the kid in the house and make him/her look good for people, like the item in the front window of a store. People come in there, judge the crap out of the kids and then take the one they like best, if any at all.
I think kids should either be raised by the mother, or aborted before any important life begins. It is only torture to put them through a foster home. Because also, I forgot to mention, any parent, if they don't like the kid, can return them to a home when ever they want...
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So you are saying that some kids should be abused by their parents for the rest of their lives because foster care is bad for them?
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| Re: abortion... [message #292504 is a reply to message #292187] |
Wed, 24 October 2007 22:24 |
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I still think that if the person is going to be born with something really bad like downs syndrome it would be okay to abort it.
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| Re: abortion... [message #292531 is a reply to message #292187] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 02:56 |
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It depends if they're still intelligent enough to understand they're not "normal" or not. + it's always a huge weight on the shoulders of parents.
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