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Dave Anderson
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Some of you here are very good at troubleshooting this kind of stuff so here we go.
An Intel Pentium 4 processor has thermal control built into it at a micro level. Meaning, if it gets to hot it will slow itself down. Along with that, my motherboard has thermal control and will shutdown if the CPU gets too hot. CPU failure doesn't seem likely.
I have had this CPU overclocked for a long time now, but not sure if its been over a year. Its been OC'd from 2.80GHz to 3.50GHz running stable with no hiccups for the duration of its OC'd life.
Today I thought I'd push it to 4.0GHz knowing about all of the supposed CPU thermal control I have. I had it up to 3.801GHz (a multiplier of 21 x 181). It worked. I went up to 21x189 (3.960GHz) and that's where my computer failed to boot up.
My motherboard has CrashFree BIOS, meaning I can shutdown my computer and the BIOS will reset itself if it knows there was an overclocking failure. This did not happen. I reset the CMOS, turned on my PC, still, nothing.
So then I took out two of my memory modules leaving my two new 1GiB modules in, turned on the PC, still, nothing.
Symptoms...
1. Everything internally gets power (fans, hard disks, cd/dvd drives, etc)
2. CPU Fan and all other fans run fine.
3. No beeping.
4. Does NOT reach POST.
5. Keyboard and mouse do NOT get power.
I have a feeling I killed my CPU, but I'm not sure. It could be a part of the motherboard that gave out, but dear god if that happened I'm screwed.
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| Re: System failure. [message #290520 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 01:47  |
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Due to the high level of overclock, I assume this is a socket 775 CPU? If so, it's a Prescott (there are no Northwood's for socket 775). That means it was running hot on top of already normally running hot. You may have done damage over time to it that sped up the process of electromigration. Prescott's run hot as it is, and while the CPU might not have gotten hot enough to instantly throttle, it still may not have been good for it over time.
Just a shot in the dark, but either way, it does sound like either the CPU or motherboard is bad. CPU failure is less common than motherboard failure, but given what you were doing, I'd start there it comes to process of elimination. Sinve power is being given, it's almost certainly one of those two parts though (or if you're unlucky, both).
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| Re: System failure. [message #290537 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 06:20 |
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Dave Anderson
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The Prescott CPU is a socket 478. (They are dream overclockers). I've tried resetting the CMOS via the battery and jumpers to no avail. I've inspected the CPU and there are no burn marks that I can tell. However, the CPU has seem to have made grooves in my heatsink from the nasty clips that hold the heatsink down so tight. I don't know if that means anything though.
I do have another motherboard I can test the CPU in, but I'm not sure if that motherboard is good still. I guess I'll find out when I get home from school.
On the BIOS side of things I do not think the chip is removable/replaceable.
I found my case speaker and put it in (forgot to do that awhile back) and there are no system beeps still.
My motherboard light is on, which according to my manual says the system is either ON, or on SOFTOFF mode. No idea what SOFTOFF mode is though.
If the processor is bad, its not such a big deal twas getting a new one anyway, but right now I guess I am more concerned if the motherboard is bad.
The motherboard is a P4S800D-X that supports either the 533 or 800 Prescott chipsets. Question though... if I overclocked the CPU and the FSB reached over 800, would the motherboard not be able to support that?
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| Re: System failure. [message #290543 is a reply to message #290537] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 07:06 |
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| Dave Anderson wrote on Mon, 15 October 2007 14:20 |
The Prescott CPU is a socket 478. (They are dream overclockers). I've tried resetting the CMOS via the battery and jumpers to no avail. I've inspected the CPU and there are no burn marks that I can tell. However, the CPU has seem to have made grooves in my heatsink from the nasty clips that hold the heatsink down so tight. I don't know if that means anything though.
I do have another motherboard I can test the CPU in, but I'm not sure if that motherboard is good still. I guess I'll find out when I get home from school.
On the BIOS side of things I do not think the chip is removable/replaceable.
I found my case speaker and put it in (forgot to do that awhile back) and there are no system beeps still.
My motherboard light is on, which according to my manual says the system is either ON, or on SOFTOFF mode. No idea what SOFTOFF mode is though.
If the processor is bad, its not such a big deal twas getting a new one anyway, but right now I guess I am more concerned if the motherboard is bad.
The motherboard is a P4S800D-X that supports either the 533 or 800 Prescott chipsets. Question though... if I overclocked the CPU and the FSB reached over 800, would the motherboard not be able to support that?
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I must have misread that you had no beeps. If you take out the CPU from a mobo it beeps like crazy when you turn it on, if you're not receiving any, then your mobo is dead. You said the keyboard doesn't get power, safe to say about the monitor aswell? I mean it gets power but its on standby?
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| Re: System failure. [message #290560 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 08:53 |
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Dave Anderson
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I haven't tried turning it on with the CPU out, so I don't know if it beeps like crazy. And yeah, the monitor is in standby.
I'm going to test my CPU in my other motherboard when I get home... I'll post my results then.
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| Re: System failure. [message #290565 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 09:13 |
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What ever happened to "not viewing renforums"? Well, about the overclocking, there is NO way you can damage any of your hardware, IF you know what you are doing (and have the right parts). Your first mistake, was buying an Intel, your second mistake was trying to overclock it. There's a reason Intel locks its CPU's multiplyer clock.... 
Also, depending on your motherboard, im guessing Intel based, so it probably doesn't have 1 of the double BIOS, or overclock locking system-things so, out of luck probably.
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 Re: System failure. [message #290566 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 09:46 |
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| Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 14 October 2007 23:45 |
Some of you here are very good at troubleshooting this kind of stuff so here we go.
An Intel Pentium 4 processor has thermal control built into it at a micro level. Meaning, if it gets to hot it will slow itself down. Along with that, my motherboard has thermal control and will shutdown if the CPU gets too hot. CPU failure doesn't seem likely.
I have had this CPU overclocked for a long time now, but not sure if its been over a year. Its been OC'd from 2.80GHz to 3.50GHz running stable with no hiccups for the duration of its OC'd life.
Today I thought I'd push it to 4.0GHz knowing about all of the supposed CPU thermal control I have. I had it up to 3.801GHz (a multiplier of 21 x 181). It worked. I went up to 21x189 (3.960GHz) and that's where my computer failed to boot up.
My motherboard has CrashFree BIOS, meaning I can shutdown my computer and the BIOS will reset itself if it knows there was an overclocking failure. This did not happen. I reset the CMOS, turned on my PC, still, nothing.
So then I took out two of my memory modules leaving my two new 1GiB modules in, turned on the PC, still, nothing.
Symptoms...
1. Everything internally gets power (fans, hard disks, cd/dvd drives, etc)
2. CPU Fan and all other fans run fine.
3. No beeping.
4. Does NOT reach POST.
5. Keyboard and mouse do NOT get power.
I have a feeling I killed my CPU, but I'm not sure. It could be a part of the motherboard that gave out, but dear god if that happened I'm screwed.
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Okay I will make myself quite clear DUDE, YOU ARE INDEED SCREWED!
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| Re: System failure. [message #290575 is a reply to message #290565] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 10:04 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 15 October 2007 12:13 |
What ever happened to "not viewing renforums"? Well, about the overclocking, there is NO way you can damage any of your hardware, IF you know what you are doing (and have the right parts). Your first mistake, was buying an Intel, your second mistake was trying to overclock it. There's a reason Intel locks its CPU's multiplyer clock....
Also, depending on your motherboard, im guessing Intel based, so it probably doesn't have 1 of the double BIOS, or overclock locking system-things so, out of luck probably.
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Your post is full shit...
1. You can damage hardware by overclocking, but it doesn't have to necessarily but it will definitely shorten lifespan. Especially with putting the voltage up.
2. Mistake buying a Intel? Got any proof for that?
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There's a reason Intel locks its CPU's multiplier clock...
Oh really? Why do the Extreme editions have no lock then?
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Also, depending on your motherboard, im guessing Intel based, so it probably doesn't have 1 of the double BIOS, or overclock
Since when is dual bios Intel patent?
Gigabyte and some others out there have the feature called dual bios or crash free bios but that has nothing to with Intel
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| Re: System failure. [message #290577 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 10:17 |
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| Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 14 October 2007 23:45 |
Some of you here are very good at troubleshooting this kind of stuff so here we go.
An Intel Pentium 4 processor has thermal control built into it at a micro level. Meaning, if it gets to hot it will slow itself down. Along with that, my motherboard has thermal control and will shutdown if the CPU gets too hot. CPU failure doesn't seem likely.
I have had this CPU overclocked for a long time now, but not sure if its been over a year. Its been OC'd from 2.80GHz to 3.50GHz running stable with no hiccups for the duration of its OC'd life.
Today I thought I'd push it to 4.0GHz knowing about all of the supposed CPU thermal control I have. I had it up to 3.801GHz (a multiplier of 21 x 181). It worked. I went up to 21x189 (3.960GHz) and that's where my computer failed to boot up.
My motherboard has CrashFree BIOS, meaning I can shutdown my computer and the BIOS will reset itself if it knows there was an overclocking failure. This did not happen. I reset the CMOS, turned on my PC, still, nothing.
So then I took out two of my memory modules leaving my two new 1GiB modules in, turned on the PC, still, nothing.
Symptoms...
1. Everything internally gets power (fans, hard disks, cd/dvd drives, etc)
2. CPU Fan and all other fans run fine.
3. No beeping.
4. Does NOT reach POST.
5. Keyboard and mouse do NOT get power.
I have a feeling I killed my CPU, but I'm not sure. It could be a part of the motherboard that gave out, but dear god if that happened I'm screwed.
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Probably motherboard, unless you did an abnormal Voltage on your overclocking CPU...
To compare: I had a 2.4C overclocked to 3.3ghz for a while ( With voltage increase) and it would still post, but it wasn't stable anymore..(thus random rebooting) I got a new 2.6c chip afterwards.
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| Re: System failure. [message #290582 is a reply to message #290565] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 10:56 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 15 October 2007 17:13 |
What ever happened to "not viewing renforums"? Well, about the overclocking, there is NO way you can damage any of your hardware, IF you know what you are doing (and have the right parts). Your first mistake, was buying an Intel, your second mistake was trying to overclock it. There's a reason Intel locks its CPU's multiplyer clock....
Also, depending on your motherboard, im guessing Intel based, so it probably doesn't have 1 of the double BIOS, or overclock locking system-things so, out of luck probably.
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Dude what the fuck are you talking about? Im not an Intel fan but everything you've mentioned there is total crap.
So overclocking doesn't damage your CPU. Well go in your BIOS, Increase the CPU voltage to the maximum, increase the FSB to the maximum and lets see how long your CPU lasts. Intel with there C2D are well in front of AMD and its AM2 socket. Theres no denying it. The P4D series is well known for its overclock capabilities. You go and buy an AMD 5600+ X2 which is rated at 2.8Ghz by default and try to overclock it to 3.8Ghz and have it stable. Did you know that AMD lock there multipliers aswell? They of course did this for a reason, right?
Frost, read dave's second post. Just in case you can't see it
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I've tried resetting the CMOS via the battery and jumpers to no avail
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
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| Re: System failure. [message #290599 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 12:20 |
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The Prescott CPU is a socket 478
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Eh? It's a LGA Socket 775 :V C2D, Celeron D, Pentium D are all the same sockets.
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| Re: System failure. [message #290622 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 12:47 |
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Go read up on your technology. LGA775 socket Prescotts are the second generation redesigned from the 478 socket. Don't let improper information slither off that tongue; it will not help anyone.
Anyway here are a few updates where I will refer to my working test motherboard as 'the Dell motherboard' and my unknown state motherboard as 'my motherboard'.
I swapped the CPU into that old Dell motherboard along with a 256MB stick of generic memory and my IDE hard disk with XP. The system boots up and I can access the BIOS and even the XP Advanced Selection screen. However, when I try to boot up XP (Start Windows Normally...) it tries to load and BSOD. It reboots too quick for me to read the BSOD but its a stop 0x0000007B message.
I can't tell if the CPU is damaged or my motherboard. I would assume its my CPU considering I may had jumped the tuner too much. Going from 21x167 -> 21x177 -> 21x181 -> 21x189 -> DEATH. Seems like I would have damaged the CPU because I afterwards I read that you're only supposed to tune it 2 clicks at a time.
On another note, my motherboard does respond to the power switches. If I have the processor in I can hold the power switch in for 4 seconds and it will shutdown. Otherwise without the processor in I have to switch the PSU off and back on.
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| Re: System failure. [message #290625 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 12:58 |
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A shift in socket type (from Socket 478 to LGA775)
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Ah, I thought it was done BEFORE Prescott was released. (Wikipedia)
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| Re: System failure. [message #290631 is a reply to message #290493] |
Mon, 15 October 2007 14:24 |
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Wow, some people think they know something....
1)I have a Socket 939 CPU, if I have to explain why its the best current socket, your already wasting my time.
2)I have a AMD 4000+, standard is 1.4v, and 2.2GHZ, Im running it @ 3GHz right now, on almost stock cooling. Ive jumped the voltage to it to about 1.6-1.7, when I ran it once @ 1.9, it locked up, I loaded up the 2nd bios, unloaded the change, reset to default and I was back. Even I had set the v to 3.0, NOTHING would have happened.
I wasn't exactly sure of this when I first was overclocking my system, but apparently, my motherboard (AMD based ASUS), can detect overvolting, before my PSU even sends anything to my actually CPU.
Intel DOES lock its multiplyer cores, I didn't know it doesnt for Extreme editions (or apperently it doesnt). Don't believe im running @ 3Ghz?
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/amd64-4000/11.html
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