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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288467 is a reply to message #288453] |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 07:09 |
Cheesesoda, your not getting what I said... of course all that other stuff would still exist (according to most logic anyway)
But a sound is different. I'm talking about using the information in the question, you don't hear the sound, the sound doesn't happen.
I'm betting most people here are probably thinking "Ok, so since no one was around to hear it, if I just imagine what it was like to be there and relate it to the sound of a tree falling, of course it made a sound"
If anyone is thinking like that, your wrong. Your not there, you can't hear it if your not there.
The tree falls down, causing soundwaves to spread out. However, nothing is within the range of the sound waves that are going to hear the sound before it dissipates. If your not in range, you don't here it. There is nothing there to convert the actual wave into a readable sound.
Think of it like an empty bus. The bus still goes to the destination, but without anyone on the bus, no one gets to that destination.
Edit: Why do people keep bringing up "well animals live in a forest"
Cause if your bringing that up, then you don't understand the question. The question says "if NO ONE IS AROUND to hear it"
"No one" means any being that can hear a sound. Since when does "No one" specifically mean "No human?"
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Okay, so let's change the question to something parallel to it:
If you blow a dog whistle, and no dog is around to hear it, are you still making a sound?
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288572 is a reply to message #288467] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 09:55 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 08:29 |
| razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 07:09 |
Cheesesoda, your not getting what I said... of course all that other stuff would still exist (according to most logic anyway)
But a sound is different. I'm talking about using the information in the question, you don't hear the sound, the sound doesn't happen.
I'm betting most people here are probably thinking "Ok, so since no one was around to hear it, if I just imagine what it was like to be there and relate it to the sound of a tree falling, of course it made a sound"
If anyone is thinking like that, your wrong. Your not there, you can't hear it if your not there.
The tree falls down, causing soundwaves to spread out. However, nothing is within the range of the sound waves that are going to hear the sound before it dissipates. If your not in range, you don't here it. There is nothing there to convert the actual wave into a readable sound.
Think of it like an empty bus. The bus still goes to the destination, but without anyone on the bus, no one gets to that destination.
Edit: Why do people keep bringing up "well animals live in a forest"
Cause if your bringing that up, then you don't understand the question. The question says "if NO ONE IS AROUND to hear it"
"No one" means any being that can hear a sound. Since when does "No one" specifically mean "No human?"
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Okay, so let's change the question to something parallel to it:
If you blow a dog whistle, and no dog is around to hear it, are you still making a sound?
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Yes because there are some dog wisles that people can hear, so if you blow that kind of whisle and no dog is around but a person is, then that person can hear it and then they have heard that wistle.
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288580 is a reply to message #288357] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 10:09 |
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So if you have to hear it for it to be a sound what happens if I leave a audio recording device in the woods? Then I run away and after I'm gone the tree falls (say 1:46pm). Does that mean that when I listen to the device later (say 5:13) the tree makes the sound then at 5:13 and not 1:46pm?
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288595 is a reply to message #288467] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 11:52 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 08:29 |
Okay, so let's change the question to something parallel to it:
If you blow a dog whistle, and no dog is around to hear it, are you still making a sound?
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Yes it makes a sound. Weather we actually hear it nor not, the sound is there. It is just at a frequency that most people can't hear.
The difference is though, our brain or anything that can hear a sound's brain is receiving those soundwaves. Weather or not they actually hear the sound, there is still sound.
The difference is with the original question, there is nothing there to receive the sound from the soundwaves and thus nothing to project the sound onto. If the sound isn't projected onto anything, there is no sound.
Here is another example.
Your in a field during the day. The sun is beating down lighting up the entire field.
You have with you a wooden board, and a flashlight. If you turn on the flashlight and point it at the wooden board, no matter how light it is outside, you will see the light reflect off of the board.
However, if you take the board away and flash the flashlight into the open air, you will not see the light. Because there is nothing there that can reflect the lesser light of the flashlight over the natural sunlight coming down. Therefore you don't see any light coming from the flash light.
Understand?
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288603 is a reply to message #288595] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 12:07 |
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The difference is with the original question, there is nothing there to receive the sound from the soundwaves and thus nothing to project the sound onto. If the sound isn't projected onto anything, there is no sound.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but our atmosphere is filled with molecules, correct? Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen, etc...
If I'm correct in saying that, then the atmosphere is filled with atoms. Atoms have mass. Thus, they are matter. THUS, the sound DOES, indeed, get projected onto these atoms. How else does sound travel, if not through matter?
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288605 is a reply to message #288595] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 12:12 |
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[quote title=razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 19:52]| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 08:29 |
However, if you take the board away and flash the flashlight into the open air, you will not see the light. Because there is nothing there that can reflect the lesser light of the flashlight over the natural sunlight coming down. Therefore you don't see any light coming from the flash light.
Understand?
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Well, that's depends on where you point the flashlight. If you point it into your face, then you see the light. If you point it away from you, you will not. If you pointed the flashlight away from you when it was foggy, you would see the light reflecting from the fog.
As for the sound, when the tree hits the floor it creates sound, period. That sound is converted into waves that travel through earth and air. weather something detects those waves doesn't matter, they were still created and thus it made a sound.
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288769 is a reply to message #288728] |
Sat, 06 October 2007 12:53 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 06 October 2007 09:55 |
No it is cause no one is understanding what I am saying. I'm thinking it is too "outside the box" for people to understand... 
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No, my logic is just too much for you. Just because you don't witness it doesn't mean that it can't possibly exist. It's just pure ignorance to say that something can't exist because you didn't witness it. It's like some idiot Christian saying the Big Bang didn't happen because they didn't witness it, or some Atheist saying that the Creation didn't happen because they didn't witness it.
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288970 is a reply to message #288357] |
Sun, 07 October 2007 16:59 |
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Quote:If a tree falls in a forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound?
Its obvious. The answer is yes. It like: Are there life in other parts of the world, if you cant see them?
As far as I know, in Africa, Europe, Asia, Oceania (sp?) and the rest of South-America, Central America and America there is life. Despite the fact that I can't be everywhere, there is life in the rest of the world. Then its another yes, and this reply can be used for replying the other question.
What do you think? Is the same discussion or not?
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288985 is a reply to message #288975] |
Sun, 07 October 2007 19:52 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 07 October 2007 21:09 |
Hearing isn't seeing.
I said "If no one is around to hear it"
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I pretty sure that cliché question doesn't mean what you're getting at. You should of specified what you meant at the beginning. Ambiguously, I'm sure it just refers to if no animal is around.
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #289068 is a reply to message #288595] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 08:53 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 14:52 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 08:29 |
Okay, so let's change the question to something parallel to it:
If you blow a dog whistle, and no dog is around to hear it, are you still making a sound?
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Yes it makes a sound. Weather we actually hear it nor not, the sound is there. It is just at a frequency that most people can't hear.
The difference is though, our brain or anything that can hear a sound's brain is receiving those soundwaves. Weather or not they actually hear the sound, there is still sound.
The difference is with the original question, there is nothing there to receive the sound from the soundwaves and thus nothing to project the sound onto. If the sound isn't projected onto anything, there is no sound.
Here is another example.
Your in a field during the day. The sun is beating down lighting up the entire field.
You have with you a wooden board, and a flashlight. If you turn on the flashlight and point it at the wooden board, no matter how light it is outside, you will see the light reflect off of the board.
However, if you take the board away and flash the flashlight into the open air, you will not see the light. Because there is nothing there that can reflect the lesser light of the flashlight over the natural sunlight coming down. Therefore you don't see any light coming from the flash light.
Understand?
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Nailed it.
The reason Uranus is tilted 90 degrees is because god got angry and kicked it over.....
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| Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #289187 is a reply to message #289068] |
Mon, 08 October 2007 16:39 |
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| The Elite Officer wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 11:53 |
| razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 14:52 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 08:29 |
Okay, so let's change the question to something parallel to it:
If you blow a dog whistle, and no dog is around to hear it, are you still making a sound?
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Yes it makes a sound. Weather we actually hear it nor not, the sound is there. It is just at a frequency that most people can't hear.
The difference is though, our brain or anything that can hear a sound's brain is receiving those soundwaves. Weather or not they actually hear the sound, there is still sound.
The difference is with the original question, there is nothing there to receive the sound from the soundwaves and thus nothing to project the sound onto. If the sound isn't projected onto anything, there is no sound.
Here is another example.
Your in a field during the day. The sun is beating down lighting up the entire field.
You have with you a wooden board, and a flashlight. If you turn on the flashlight and point it at the wooden board, no matter how light it is outside, you will see the light reflect off of the board.
However, if you take the board away and flash the flashlight into the open air, you will not see the light. Because there is nothing there that can reflect the lesser light of the flashlight over the natural sunlight coming down. Therefore you don't see any light coming from the flash light.
Understand?
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Nailed it.
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No he didnt. He brought objects into it.
The light is still there, our eyes just cant see it.
Heres a question- Smart one-
You have night heat vision goggles on, during the day, you light your light into the sky-
An powerful noe, not a dinky flash light. Other then the yellow/orange you see around you, you will see a dark red beam of light.
BUT ZOMGZ HACKS THE LIGHTS NOT THERE
You people need to get off this arguement,
Why do you people think that jsut because we dont see it/hear it it doesnt happen?
Thats the most illogical excuse I've EVER heard.
Some of you, are making yourselves look stupid.
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I DESLIKE YOU!
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