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If you're going to debate this, please read the bit under the spoiler tag. It's obvious that you did not or you would know that:
1) Points awarded are now DIRECTLY proportional to the amount of damage you do (40 points of damage gets you the same amount of points no matter what weapon you use to deal it - this is not the case when the server is not patched)
2) There is overwhelming, indisputable evidence that this is EXACTLY what Westwood intended but failed to do, which is why it is called a "bug fix" rather than a "change", "enhancement", or "mod".
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286127 is a reply to message #286099] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 10:09 |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 16:19 |
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I took the advantage of this point bug on mesa when I was Nod. Since the GDI harvy doesn't stay very long like the Nod harvy, I would purposely buy a shotty throw my C4 just shoot at it to gain points so I could get a early tech/arty to defend against any early APC rushes.
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tip: in situations like the harv fight, forget how many points you're getting and just focus your attention on killing their harv and saving yours. If you genuinely help in the effort to kill their harvester (which DOESN'T mean throwing one c4 - it means rushing it three times with an engineer), chances are you'll kill theirs and save yours... that's 300 or 600 credit variance, depending on how you look at it mathematically.
The best thing about the points fix is new players aren't suckered into bad habits like the habit you've just described. Shooting heavy armour with weapons that don't damage it, just to get points and money, is a bad habit. You aren't helping your team's situation.
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This may be true but you do not always get people on a public server willing to get an engi and throw c4 etc...
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286159 is a reply to message #286127] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 12:11 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 12:09 |
This may be true but you do not always get people on a public server willing to get an engi and throw c4 etc...
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You will once the points fix is more widespread and they realise that shooting the harvester with their machinegun isn't anywhere near the best thing they could be doing at the time, as opposed to being tricked by the current points system bug into thinking they're doing something useful.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286178 is a reply to message #286172] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:29 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 21:10 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 20:11 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 12:09 |
This may be true but you do not always get people on a public server willing to get an engi and throw c4 etc...
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You will once the points fix is more widespread and they realise that shooting the harvester with their machinegun isn't anywhere near the best thing they could be doing at the time, as opposed to being tricked by the current points system bug into thinking they're doing something useful.
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Ok, can you honestly say that you believe that will happen? You honestly think once most of the servers get this fix that people will go "Hmm I dont get points for shooting harv with my rifle, I better start team playing instead"?
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No, but they might buy something like a rocket launcher, and then fire it at the harv.
Anyone can work out that the aim is to make points, and if they don't make points doing one thing, they'll try another thing to make points.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286180 is a reply to message #286178] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:36 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 21:29 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 21:10 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 20:11 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 12:09 |
This may be true but you do not always get people on a public server willing to get an engi and throw c4 etc...
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You will once the points fix is more widespread and they realise that shooting the harvester with their machinegun isn't anywhere near the best thing they could be doing at the time, as opposed to being tricked by the current points system bug into thinking they're doing something useful.
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Ok, can you honestly say that you believe that will happen? You honestly think once most of the servers get this fix that people will go "Hmm I dont get points for shooting harv with my rifle, I better start team playing instead"?
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No, but they might buy something like a rocket launcher, and then fire it at the harv.
Anyone can work out that the aim is to make points, and if they don't make points doing one thing, they'll try another thing to make points.
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Yes but generally you don't have enough credits at the start of the game to buy a rocket soldier. As I was trying to say, the only time I really abused the points is at the start when I need them to get a early med/arty/tech. Once the game gets going im generally killing the tanks or hitting buildings.
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I just wanted to add that I think the point fix works best when its on a ClanWar server. It will stop one clan from getting a havoc and gaining points to win. But its a different story in public servers when everyone isn't willing to team play.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286185 is a reply to message #286019] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 13:58 |
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I am glad that this is getting fixed. Considering that Resurrection already contains a fix for this, will Resurrection servers be allowed onto the BHS ladder or will the existing fix in Resurrection be deprecated by the xwis.dll version?
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286189 is a reply to message #286087] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 14:19 |
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| Dutch Neon wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 10:57 |
This also means that Snipers mostly will not get MVP's anymore
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Snipers can still get MVP quite easily, it's just morons who shoot tanks with sniper rifles and do no damage that won't be getting MVP.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286203 is a reply to message #286019] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 15:31 |
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...AND FIVE YEARS LATER THIS SMALL BUG GETS FIXED!
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286221 is a reply to message #286019] |
Mon, 24 September 2007 16:45 |
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I have read this entire thread and then resigned up because my account has long since expired through time.
One point I have not noticed being discussed is the situation that skimming points off of machine gun type weapons and making it based on actual damage will make the refinery extremely valuable.
Think about it.
The main way you get cash from NO INCOME, is getting a minigunner and shooting heavy vehicles. With this gone the game would be an entirely money based war. Take out the ref first then camp with apc's which the enemy team now gets a total of 100? credits at 2 credits a point. On a no defense map after the ref dies, it's basically playtime for the team with a refinery. ( I am aware these are incorrect and not exact values )
If this does get forced into the ladder, It should probably only apply to the sniper scales to make them do what snipers are meant to do. Kill infantry.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286286 is a reply to message #286172] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 00:23 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 15:10 |
Ok, can you honestly say that you believe that will happen? You honestly think once most of the servers get this fix that people will go "Hmm I dont get points for shooting harv with my rifle, I better start team playing instead"?
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If they are even remotely observant to what's going on in regard to the scores, yes.
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have read this entire thread and then resigned up because my account has long since expired through time.
One point I have not noticed being discussed is the situation that skimming points off of machine gun type weapons and making it based on actual damage will make the refinery extremely valuable.
Think about it.
The main way you get cash from NO INCOME, is getting a minigunner and shooting heavy vehicles. With this gone the game would be an entirely money based war. Take out the ref first then camp with apc's which the enemy team now gets a total of 100? credits at 2 credits a point. On a no defense map after the ref dies, it's basically playtime for the team with a refinery. ( I am aware these are incorrect and not exact values )
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There's nothing bad about the scenario you're describing. You SHOULD NOT get points or money for attacking something you don't damage. Aside from anything else, you get more money for fixing buildings (assuming they're under attack by anything with some firepower) than you would shooting most vehicles with a soldier.
If you can't or won't do that, here's a crazy thought: instead of ineffectually shooting the enemy tank that's raping your base with your automatic rifle, try to kill it with a flamethrower, grenadier or engi, or heal your teammates in their efforts to do so. Sure, you probably won't take it out by yourself, but you can help your team's situation rather than standing there like a monkey unloading clip after clip at something you are doing negligible damage to while your base is being bulldozed.
Losing your refinery SHOULD cripple your economy. If it didn't, what the hell would be the point killing the enemy's refinery?
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286294 is a reply to message #286293] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 01:30 |
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| Caveman wrote on Tue, 25 September 2007 10:15 |
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 25 September 2007 08:23 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 15:10 |
Ok, can you honestly say that you believe that will happen? You honestly think once most of the servers get this fix that people will go "Hmm I dont get points for shooting harv with my rifle, I better start team playing instead"?
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If they are even remotely observant to what's going on in regard to the scores, yes.
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You sure do have alot of faith in people that you obvously do not know. If someone is out to point whore, they'll find another way to do it. Some people just like being pricks. This fix isn't going to change them.
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It is, the only way to really whore now ( on the BI servers and the otehrs running it) is to attack buildings. Oh, wait, that's a good thing. You want your team to attack buildings. And believe me when I say I have seen some players behaviour change, in a good way. As in, not sniper whoring vehicles and stuff.
Btw, Cavemen, have yu read the full story? Then you should have noticed that with an machine gun, you get more points then attacking with a med for example. This does NOT make sense. Why would you get more points with the weapon you are totally useless with?
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286320 is a reply to message #286019] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 07:25 |
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spoony exactly.. if you can drive a fucking med tank decent youre gona rape every map.. Simple because meds hittin every shot> any other tank.
how the fuck was it unfair when both sides could get massive points.. you say youve made it "fairer" like fuck.. maybe on a couple of maps.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286321 is a reply to message #286019] |
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the only thing left to fix with the point system now, is getting points for destroying a vehicle after the opponent has jumped out.
In clanwars, its a common thing to jump out of your vehicle right before it gets blown up, to avoid giving the opponents the points they deserve for destroying it. This new point fix depends on those points to make the game more balanced between tank fights and attacking buildings. Maybe thats why westwood left the point flaw in in the first place?
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286342 is a reply to message #286019] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 09:22 |
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Um, I dont really agree with this "points fix" idea, but it does balance out public server gameplay (in bigger servers).My concern:
-Smaller servers (which includes clanwars)
-A few gameplay issuses
For those of you who havent played with it, you wouldnt think it makes a big differene right? Wrong. Some Maps which where completely lobsided for 1 team, are now even, BUT some just go completely the other way. Again, less noticable in bigger servers, smaller servers will take the but of it. I also dont agree with deny access to the beta ladder if you don't agree with the points fix, and dont install it on your server.....
This is not just some random decision to be made, nor to be immediatly forced upon us right away, weight the cons, weight the pros, then base a decision on what the community thinks.
The only real way I see this working, is if EVERYONE agrees to this, and not 1 person disagrees, and it becomes the new norm. If this doesn't happen, a reoccurance of what happened @ cw.cc will happen.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286350 is a reply to message #286293] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 09:53 |
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| Caveman wrote on Tue, 25 September 2007 01:15 |
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 25 September 2007 08:23 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 24 September 2007 15:10 |
Ok, can you honestly say that you believe that will happen? You honestly think once most of the servers get this fix that people will go "Hmm I dont get points for shooting harv with my rifle, I better start team playing instead"?
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If they are even remotely observant to what's going on in regard to the scores, yes.
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You sure do have alot of faith in people that you obvously do not know. If someone is out to point whore, they'll find another way to do it. Some people just like being pricks. This fix isn't going to change them.
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People started doing the current lame tactics because of points, when they discover it doesn't work, they'll stop and find something else. With the points fix in place, they can really only get points for doing things that help the team. So if they want to be point whore, they'll have to help their team in order to get points. I don't see a downside.
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| Re: Public announcement: Points Bug Fix [message #286352 is a reply to message #286342] |
Tue, 25 September 2007 09:54 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 25 September 2007 09:22 |
This is not just some random decision to be made, nor to be immediatly forced upon us right away, weight the cons, weight the pros, then base a decision on what the community thinks.
The only real way I see this working, is if EVERYONE agrees to this, and not 1 person disagrees, and it becomes the new norm. If this doesn't happen, a reoccurance of what happened @ cw.cc will happen.
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We're not doing that. We have been evaluating the fix for over 2 months now (read the first post, duh)... and we're warning you about this fix well in advance of it being required.
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