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Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #284061 is a reply to message #283422] Thu, 13 September 2007 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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cheesesoda

I don't understand how people can just think that if you are unarmed that somehow you come out better in the situation. If you want to live in this fairy tale world where criminals actually respect law-abiding citizens, then be my guest, but that's far from the real world. If they respected you AT ALL, they wouldn't be robbing you, would they?

That is just you being completely paranoid. Yes America can be dangerous as can other places but it is hardly a Johannesburg is it? All of this talk is just scare mongering to me as people will get the impression that at any minute an armed man will jump through your window and threaten to kill everyone if they don't get all of your jewelery and prized possessions.

No, the paranoia is, "LOL OMG WUT IF KIDZ GET A HOLD OF GUNZ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!/1/!?!?!/!?1/"

My whole argument is that you never know what's going to happen or when it's going to happen. Just because you can't predict it doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. Like I said earlier, I got into a car accident in 2005. Before that, I never had been, so car insurance didn't come into play... until the accident. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it won't happen.

Memphis

cheesesoda

How many times must I and others say this? IF YOU REGULATE THE PURCHASING OF GUNS, YOU HARM THE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN'S ABILITY TO PURCHASE A GUN. CRIMINALS AREN'T AFFECTED. IF CRIMINALS ARE WILLING TO MURDER AND COMMIT OTHER CRIMES, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY'D OBEY A GUN LAW?

As for controlling regulation it should mean you have a better idea of who is getting hold of this hardware and the type of people getting hold of it. This is about lethal weapons that are designed to kill being sold in a supermarket. I would have thought it would be a lot easier for criminals to steal weaponry from a supermarket than a proper armory in a gun shop. If there are less guns in circulation you would have thought it would be easier to track down ones that were not acquired by legal means.

Shootings and violence happens everywhere and it isn't just done by criminals such as in the Hungerford Massacre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

And the Dunblane Massacre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

In both of these cases these people could actually legally use the firearms which meant that they must have gone through some kind of process as to what type of person they are. If people don't even have go go through that problems such as these can only get worse.

Okay, so it regulates the type of law-abiding citizen purchasing a gun. What does it do for the type of criminal purchasing a gun? If I want a gun that badly, I could go to the black market and purchase a gun fairly easily. THEN it couldn't even be traced back to me if it's a stolen gun. Again, who's at the disadvantage? Me, the law-abiding citizen, or them, the criminal?

If those shooting happened where guns are legal, think about what happens in "Gun Free Zones".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

Both of those were in "gun free zones". That didn't help, did it?

How about some proof that guns can stop crime? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

Memphis

You should really stop being so pig-headed by the way cheesesoda, calling people idiots and retards is just rude and does nothing in debates such as these. I at least am 'open' to your points even if I don't agree with them whereas you just get angry and defensive.

I get angry and defensive because you're taking away MY rights to defend myself, my possessions, and my family. I don't take kindly to those who think they know how I should live my life better than I do. If you don't want to own a gun, that's fine. You'll only have yourself to blame if you find yourself at the business end of a gun and no way to protect yourself other than yelling, "HELP!" Good luck with that.

As for regulating the AMOUNT of guns in circulation: Guns can be created by just about anyone. While they may be crude, they'd still be effective. Even if it DID work (which defies logic), criminals would still have plenty of alternatives to choose from.


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