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| CarrierII wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:26 |
In some circumstances it's as easy, or even easier to kill someone with a kitchen knife, yet they aren't banned. So if you support banning guns, you might as well (by extension) kill anything that could injure someone.
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Tell me, what other use have guns then kill/harm people/animals or target practise? (Target practise, hmm for what, doesn't have any use unless you are planning to fire at someone/some animal)
Now, tell me what uses kitchen knifes have? Not just killing/injuring someone, that's for sure.
Also, about guns being in the sports department, that's not weird, they can't put it in the mutilation/killing department.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283809 is a reply to message #283422] |
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There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that, you need guns for surround people when taking them down (if you are a police officer), you need guns to tell the speed of fast cars, theres more uses, but since i'm not into guns, I dont know, but just because the main uses are for the things said previously, it doesnt mean they should be banned, i'm all for people owning guns, as long as they dont abuse it, but heck, you cant read minds so you never know how will crack and use them, if we ban guns, then a knife or cross bow will start becomming common weapon, you want to ban knives? then bann kitchens knives to, screw cooking, maybe we'll eat out everyday at fancy italian places and just let them own knives since we all know for 100% sure they wont use them for injustice.
Ya i went a bit off topic, but the point if, if you ban guns from people, then ban them all, because there have been police cases in the past where police misuse a gun, heck even if you do ban guns, people will still OWN them, the black market, illegal imports, people know where to buy guns.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283810 is a reply to message #283806] |
Wed, 12 September 2007 08:53 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 11:43 |
| CarrierII wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:26 |
In some circumstances it's as easy, or even easier to kill someone with a kitchen knife, yet they aren't banned. So if you support banning guns, you might as well (by extension) kill anything that could injure someone.
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Tell me, what other use have guns then kill/harm people/animals or target practise? (Target practise, hmm for what, doesn't have any use unless you are planning to fire at someone/some animal)
Now, tell me what uses kitchen knifes have? Not just killing/injuring someone, that's for sure.
Also, about guns being in the sports department, that's not weird, they can't put it in the mutilation/killing department.
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Why can't firing guns be for sport? I never once shot a BB gun thinking, "WOW, I COULD USE THIS SKILL TO SHOOT PEOPLE!" Shooting guns is purely for entertainment. Just like pyrotechnics. They serve no purpose other than "ooooo ahhhhhhhhh". LET'S BAN EVERYTHING YOU DEEM TO BE POINTLESS. THAT MAKES SENSE! Are you trying to pull shit out of your ass? If so, it's working quite wonderfully.
The point in me saying that was he claimed that the guns in the supermarkets aren't used for hunting. He obviously ignores logic slapping him in the face.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283812 is a reply to message #283809] |
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| AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:51 |
There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that, you need guns for surround people when taking them down (if you are a police officer), you need guns to tell the speed of fast cars, theres more uses, but since i'm not into guns, I dont know, but just because the main uses are for the things said previously, it doesnt mean they should be banned, i'm all for people owning guns, as long as they dont abuse it, but heck, you cant read minds so you never know how will crack and use them, if we ban guns, then a knife or cross bow will start becomming common weapon, you want to ban knives? then bann kitchens knives to, screw cooking, maybe we'll eat out everyday at fancy italian places and just let them own knives since we all know for 100% sure they wont use them for injustice.
Ya i went a bit off topic, but the point if, if you ban guns from people, then ban them all, because there have been police cases in the past where police misuse a gun, heck even if you do ban guns, people will still OWN them, the black market, illegal imports, people know where to buy guns.
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I stopped reading after "There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that,".
I had hoped you had a little more intelligence. Now I do see why you are pro-guns. It's a bit of a primitive thing, where you will probably feel right at home.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283813 is a reply to message #283810] |
Wed, 12 September 2007 08:55 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:53 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 11:43 |
| CarrierII wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:26 |
In some circumstances it's as easy, or even easier to kill someone with a kitchen knife, yet they aren't banned. So if you support banning guns, you might as well (by extension) kill anything that could injure someone.
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Tell me, what other use have guns then kill/harm people/animals or target practise? (Target practise, hmm for what, doesn't have any use unless you are planning to fire at someone/some animal)
Now, tell me what uses kitchen knifes have? Not just killing/injuring someone, that's for sure.
Also, about guns being in the sports department, that's not weird, they can't put it in the mutilation/killing department.
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Why can't firing guns be for sport? I never once shot a BB gun thinking, "WOW, I COULD USE THIS SKILL TO SHOOT PEOPLE!" Shooting guns is purely for entertainment. Just like pyrotechnics. They serve no purpose other than "ooooo ahhhhhhhhh". LET'S BAN EVERYTHING YOU DEEM TO BE POINTLESS. THAT MAKES SENSE! Are you trying to pull shit out of your ass? If so, it's working quite wonderfully.
The point in me saying that was he claimed that the guns in the supermarkets aren't used for hunting. He obviously ignores logic slapping him in the face.
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Well, if guns are purely for entertainment, why not get rid of the guns and just sell bbguns/paintball guns. Same fun, less deaths.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283814 is a reply to message #283812] |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 11:54 |
| AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:51 |
There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that, you need guns for surround people when taking them down (if you are a police officer), you need guns to tell the speed of fast cars, theres more uses, but since i'm not into guns, I dont know, but just because the main uses are for the things said previously, it doesnt mean they should be banned, i'm all for people owning guns, as long as they dont abuse it, but heck, you cant read minds so you never know how will crack and use them, if we ban guns, then a knife or cross bow will start becomming common weapon, you want to ban knives? then bann kitchens knives to, screw cooking, maybe we'll eat out everyday at fancy italian places and just let them own knives since we all know for 100% sure they wont use them for injustice.
Ya i went a bit off topic, but the point if, if you ban guns from people, then ban them all, because there have been police cases in the past where police misuse a gun, heck even if you do ban guns, people will still OWN them, the black market, illegal imports, people know where to buy guns.
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I stopped reading after "There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that,".
I had hoped you had a little more intelligence. Now I do see why you are pro-guns. It's a bit of a primitive thing, where you will probably feel right at home.
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Wow, you're quite the arrogant son of a bitch, aren't you? Ever stop to think that just because you deem something pointless doesn't make it pointless to everybody else? I feel that your opinion is pointless, but I can't help but to think you feel otherwise.
Edit: Because they're not the same. BB guns are boring. I want something with more power. Why light a match when you can light a roman candle?
Edit2: Also, BB guns fail at home security. Shooting someone with small, copper BBs isn't going to stop an attacker, especially someone hellbent on harming you. So not only do guns serve the purpose for entertainment and show, but also for protection as we've been trying to beat into your empty heads.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283815 is a reply to message #283422] |
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Some people use guns for target practice but nor for killing, they use it for pleasure and personal entertainment, they dont have the intent to kill someone, maybe hunting animals, but they dont have intent to kill usually, just the feeling of owning a gun and firing it at something gives them a spark of enjoyment, though dangerous, next i'd like to see knives be banned, some people like collecting them for fun, though dangerous, just like guns, they dont have the intent to kill (usually, unless you plan too and are crazy)
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283828 is a reply to message #283814] |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:55 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 11:54 |
| AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:51 |
There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that, you need guns for surround people when taking them down (if you are a police officer), you need guns to tell the speed of fast cars, theres more uses, but since i'm not into guns, I dont know, but just because the main uses are for the things said previously, it doesnt mean they should be banned, i'm all for people owning guns, as long as they dont abuse it, but heck, you cant read minds so you never know how will crack and use them, if we ban guns, then a knife or cross bow will start becomming common weapon, you want to ban knives? then bann kitchens knives to, screw cooking, maybe we'll eat out everyday at fancy italian places and just let them own knives since we all know for 100% sure they wont use them for injustice.
Ya i went a bit off topic, but the point if, if you ban guns from people, then ban them all, because there have been police cases in the past where police misuse a gun, heck even if you do ban guns, people will still OWN them, the black market, illegal imports, people know where to buy guns.
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I stopped reading after "There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that,".
I had hoped you had a little more intelligence. Now I do see why you are pro-guns. It's a bit of a primitive thing, where you will probably feel right at home.
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Wow, you're quite the arrogant son of a bitch, aren't you? Ever stop to think that just because you deem something pointless doesn't make it pointless to everybody else? I feel that your opinion is pointless, but I can't help but to think you feel otherwise.
Edit: Because they're not the same. BB guns are boring. I want something with more power. Why light a match when you can light a roman candle?
Edit2: Also, BB guns fail at home security. Shooting someone with small, copper BBs isn't going to stop an attacker, especially someone hellbent on harming you. So not only do guns serve the purpose for entertainment and show, but also for protection as we've been trying to beat into your empty heads.
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Tell me why would a criminal harm you? Yes he does want to stel your stuff and yes I know that sucks, but unless you go waiving with a gun, there is no reason for the criminal to actually harm you. He might run and get away, resuming you caught him in the act.
Also, how often have you been robbed in your own home?
I have been robbed once, while we where on vacation, so no gun could've stopped the criminal. How many times have you been robbed and got the chance to respond on it (with or without gun, that doesn't matter now)?
You say you like real guns more then BBguns/ paintball guns because they have more power, well ok, but what can you do with that power? With the proposed bb/paintball gun you can actually fire on your mates and have a good time together. Something tells me that though you can point a real gun at your mates, you won't have a good time then.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283830 is a reply to message #283815] |
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| AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:56 |
Some people use guns for target practice but nor for killing, they use it for pleasure and personal entertainment, they dont have the intent to kill someone, maybe hunting animals, but they dont have intent to kill usually, just the feeling of owning a gun and firing it at something gives them a spark of enjoyment, though dangerous, next i'd like to see knives be banned, some people like collecting them for fun, though dangerous, just like guns, they dont have the intent to kill (usually, unless you plan too and are crazy)
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I'm not saying noone is allowed to have a gun, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be sold so easily. I mean, for a hunter it's pretty logical to have a gun, but let the hunter be registered, and check him etc, before selling him a gun. With checking him I also mean, give him a course on how to handle the weapon, how to store it, and let him do this for a month or so. Perhaps make him do a psychological test before he actually gets the gun.
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| Re: Man returns gun ammo to walmart at 1300 feet per second [message #283832 is a reply to message #283828] |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 12:44 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:55 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 11:54 |
| AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:51 |
There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that, you need guns for surround people when taking them down (if you are a police officer), you need guns to tell the speed of fast cars, theres more uses, but since i'm not into guns, I dont know, but just because the main uses are for the things said previously, it doesnt mean they should be banned, i'm all for people owning guns, as long as they dont abuse it, but heck, you cant read minds so you never know how will crack and use them, if we ban guns, then a knife or cross bow will start becomming common weapon, you want to ban knives? then bann kitchens knives to, screw cooking, maybe we'll eat out everyday at fancy italian places and just let them own knives since we all know for 100% sure they wont use them for injustice.
Ya i went a bit off topic, but the point if, if you ban guns from people, then ban them all, because there have been police cases in the past where police misuse a gun, heck even if you do ban guns, people will still OWN them, the black market, illegal imports, people know where to buy guns.
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I stopped reading after "There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that,".
I had hoped you had a little more intelligence. Now I do see why you are pro-guns. It's a bit of a primitive thing, where you will probably feel right at home.
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Wow, you're quite the arrogant son of a bitch, aren't you? Ever stop to think that just because you deem something pointless doesn't make it pointless to everybody else? I feel that your opinion is pointless, but I can't help but to think you feel otherwise.
Edit: Because they're not the same. BB guns are boring. I want something with more power. Why light a match when you can light a roman candle?
Edit2: Also, BB guns fail at home security. Shooting someone with small, copper BBs isn't going to stop an attacker, especially someone hellbent on harming you. So not only do guns serve the purpose for entertainment and show, but also for protection as we've been trying to beat into your empty heads.
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Tell me why would a criminal harm you? Yes he does want to stel your stuff and yes I know that sucks, but unless you go waiving with a gun, there is no reason for the criminal to actually harm you. He might run and get away, resuming you caught him in the act.
Also, how often have you been robbed in your own home?
I have been robbed once, while we where on vacation, so no gun could've stopped the criminal. How many times have you been robbed and got the chance to respond on it (with or without gun, that doesn't matter now)?
You say you like real guns more then BBguns/ paintball guns because they have more power, well ok, but what can you do with that power? With the proposed bb/paintball gun you can actually fire on your mates and have a good time together. Something tells me that though you can point a real gun at your mates, you won't have a good time then.
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Up until 2005, I could have said, "I never have been in a car accident, so why would I need car insurance". Well, August 2005 explains why...
Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that it won't.
Why do I have to fire a gun at someone to have fun? It's fun shooting at targets. Sure, paintball guns are fun, too, but it's quite a bit different.
As far as the whole psychological thing goes... at the very most someone needs to read up on gun handling, take a test, and be issued a license for it. I don't feel background checks are necessary.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 11:54 |
| AoBfrost wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 17:51 |
There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that, you need guns for surround people when taking them down (if you are a police officer), you need guns to tell the speed of fast cars, theres more uses, but since i'm not into guns, I dont know, but just because the main uses are for the things said previously, it doesnt mean they should be banned, i'm all for people owning guns, as long as they dont abuse it, but heck, you cant read minds so you never know how will crack and use them, if we ban guns, then a knife or cross bow will start becomming common weapon, you want to ban knives? then bann kitchens knives to, screw cooking, maybe we'll eat out everyday at fancy italian places and just let them own knives since we all know for 100% sure they wont use them for injustice.
Ya i went a bit off topic, but the point if, if you ban guns from people, then ban them all, because there have been police cases in the past where police misuse a gun, heck even if you do ban guns, people will still OWN them, the black market, illegal imports, people know where to buy guns.
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I stopped reading after "There are many uses, such as starting the horse/dog races, you need a gun for that,".
I had hoped you had a little more intelligence. Now I do see why you are pro-guns. It's a bit of a primitive thing, where you will probably feel right at home.
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Wow, it seems those who don't like something want to force it onto everyone else, how smart and fair that is, yes I may seem to have sounded retarded in that area, but still I proved a point and a point is still a point, you challenged us to come up with more uses and I did, and for lashing at me like that for answering your question, it shows how patience and intelligent you really are. Plus there was some useful arguments after I said "horse/dog" thing, but like a lot of people I guess, their too arrogant to read 3 more sentences just because they cant agree with someone else's view.
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Tell me why would a criminal harm you? Yes he does want to stel your stuff and yes I know that sucks, but unless you go waiving with a gun, there is no reason for the criminal to actually harm you. He might run and get away, resuming you caught him in the act.
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Sweet merciful stars- I can understand most of the reasons why so many people want to outlaw guns- just because they're wrong doesn't mean that every reason given in support of that position is automatically bad. However, this just has to take the cake as the single dumbest thing I've seen today.
Do you honestly believe that violent crime doesn't happen in the absence of guns? Right, because a criminal will just leave you alone whilst robbing you blind, as long as you aren't armed? Wake the hell up! Do you know what you are when you are in the house while it is being robbed? A witness, that's what. Criminals don't like witnesses. Criminals like to get away clean. If you confront a criminal in your home without a weapon, you run the very real risk of being killed just because you were there.
Allow me to clear a few things up-
First off, you don't "wave a gun around." That defeats the purpose of the tool. If you draw your weapon, you fire it- period, end of discussion. If you don't have a reason to fire it, you don't pull it out in the first place.
A person whipping out their handgun and pointing it at a burglar while dialing 911 with the other hand? That happens almost never in the real world. Getting caught in the act of committing a felony is more often than not plenty to push someone over the edge to a violent reaction, and they're not going to just sit down and wait for the cops. Every second you have that weapon out and don't fire it is another second in which the other guy could make an attempt at either grabbing it or pulling a weapon of his own- and it only takes a moment's lapse in attention for him to gain that opportunity. Even if you manage to sneak up behind that burglar- the sudden sound of your voice is even more likely to cause him to whip around with a weapon of his own. If someone has taken it upon theirself to invade your home, you assume the worst and react accordingly. If they happen to survive, that's great- but anything less than a decisive, violent reaction on the part of the homeowner puts everyone in danger. You put the bastard on the floor, then you make sure they are unable to respond in kind, then you call the cops. Whether you do that with a bat, or a knife, or a gun, you just do it. None of this "stop, thief!" shit- that only works in movies.
Second, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, you cannot assume that any given criminal- be they a burgler or some twer trying to mug you in an alley- is going to leave you alone after taking your stuff. Hell, you can't even assume that they're after your stuff int he first place. That attitude will get you killed in those situations.
Now, however revolting the thought of taking another person's life may be- and I can't say it's something I ever want to think about- it comes down to a simple choice- their life, or yours. Seriously now, do you hold a criminal's life above your own, above the lives of the people you care about? If you had no way out, would you sit by and let that criminal do you and your loved ones harm because you didn't want to have blood on your hands? Yes, it's a shitty choice, but as far as I- and a great many others, though sadly not everyone- am concerned, one person's rights stop dead where another's begin. Once you do harm to others by intent, you sacrifice your rights. That's the logic behind the criminal justice system, anyway, and it ought to apply all the time- to everyone. If you threaten another person's life- and please bear in mind that a victim has no way of knowing what their assailant intends to do until after the criminal has done the deed- you lose the right to your own. If you were to threaten any one of my friends, or my family, or if you broke into my home, I would kill you to defend them and myself because you had no right to act against me and mine. I would hate myself for it every day for the rest of my life, but I would do it, and I would do it a second time to a second person it the need arose.
I believe, with utter conviction, that it is not the availability of weapons which leads people to be violent. It is not the prevalence of violence in the media, or any other factor than this: society as a whole, across most of the world, consists of people who are unwilling to take action to protect anyone's interests but their own. That allows a few predatory individuals to take advantage of anyone they perceive as weak, because they know most of humanity has neither the will nor the ability to do anything about it. I guarantee that crime would all but vanish if we could just persuade the mass to enact laws enabling people to act in each others' defense- but that will never happen. It will never happen because the majority of humanity would rather pretend that they are above violence of any sort, that they would not resort to such measures and therefore that others would not act violently towards them. Bullshit.
The only way to defend against violence is to be willing and able to be violent if the need arises. Violence is the only argument some folks will listen to- and that's just the plain truth. Hate guns all you want, but that won't change the simple fact that when you are faced with an immediate danger- any immediate danger into which you are placed by another being, human or otherwise, be it a home invasion or a mugging or a hold-up or whatever else your mind can conceive- the best possible defense is a gun and the training to use it properly.
No one is arguing that we issue guns to every single person on the planet- but there are some important things to keep in mind:
- In the US at least, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, unless you are proven to have committed a crime or have a serious mental defect, you are competent in the eyes of the law and therefore have the right to own a gun. That is law, as laid down hundreds of years ago and thankfully held more or less intact since.
- Guns are a weapon, but ultimately there is a person behind that weapon. The weapon does not think or act for itself. There is no way for a gun to 'just go off' without some human tampering on some level or another. By all means, enact legislation that ensures people are safely able to handle that weapon, but do not make people pay out the ass for that training (as is presently required) and do not ever call the weapon 'dangerous.' There is no such thing as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous people (by incompetence or intent).
- Technology, as a rule, does not regress, barring a massive societal collapse (i.e. the Roman Empire). For that reason, guns will not go away.
- Prohibitions don't work. A determined person can make a gun out of materials that can be bought in a hardware store, crude as that gun may turn out- but more likely they will track down a black market dealer and buy one. As long as there is a use for a weapon, it will be provided somehow, by legal or illegal means. This is a fact, the simple law of supply and demand.
- The advantage always goes to whomever has the more effective weapon. Always. A person with a gun will always be at an advantage over a person without. Thus, the only way to place yourself on an equal footing with all potential threats (short of someone setting off a bomb) is to have a gun of your own- and more than that, to carry it responsibly.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| NukeIt15 wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 14:28 |
I believe, with utter conviction, that it is not the availability of weapons which leads people to be violent. It is not the prevalence of violence in the media, or any other factor than this: society as a whole, across most of the world, consists of people who are unwilling to take action to protect anyone's interests but their own. That allows a few predatory individuals to take advantage of anyone they perceive as weak, because they know most of humanity has neither the will nor the ability to do anything about it. I guarantee that crime would all but vanish if we could just persuade the mass to enact laws enabling people to act in each others' defense- but that will never happen. It will never happen because the majority of humanity would rather pretend that they are above violence of any sort, that they would not resort to such measures and therefore that others would not act violently towards them. Bullshit.
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I completely agree. Even in the animal kingdom, animals seek to do harm against others. Mostly it's territorial or for protection, but it still happens. Violence is inevitable. The only way to combat violence is for there to be a threat of violence.
Quite frankly, just about anything can be used for violence. Rocks, glass, baseball bats, guns, knives, cars, razors, scissors, lamps, plates, water, arms, legs, hands, feet, teeth, and pillows are all things that have been used to harm people. It's just impossible to remove any threat of violence. Sure, you can say that banning guns would make it one less thing available, but if you're going to kill someone, you'll do it with or without guns. Plus, as we've argued and shown SEVERAL times in this thread, guns are great for protection.
Why did the Cold War not progress further than it did? While some may consider this ideology to be absurd, I fully believe that M.A.D. is the reasoning why things didn't progress. The threat of destruction was enough to keep destruction from happening.
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So what's the deal in America?
If I become a US citizen could I buy a handgun and walk about with it? If I had a holster and not just in the back of my jeans like some "home-boy".
Can I walk into a shop wearing my gun in the holster and do my shopping, or is that store policy?
Do I have to have it locked in a room and can only use it if some turd walks in?
How many can I have, and how many can I have on my persons at any one time?
I'm guessing it's different for every state, so what's the deal in the most g"gun friendly" state.
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