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New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281142] Sun, 26 August 2007 09:40 Go to next message
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It wouldn't be so hard to have a client/server side program, the client obviously downloads the maps and the server uploads them, or some whitty way like that, no? Why not?
Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281143 is a reply to message #281142] Sun, 26 August 2007 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First of all, its not that simple, you also need a way to tell the client what maps it needs and such. Also map files are large thus downloads take a long time.

And um... We are "considering" it. Thats all I will say for now.

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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281149 is a reply to message #281142] Sun, 26 August 2007 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This idea is for sure not new.
And planned for future.


Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281150 is a reply to message #281142] Sun, 26 August 2007 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TBH the best solution would be a custom server browser that the server bots (BR / NR) send data to in order to get their server listed.

NB / BR / Other Bot -> Sends server name, ip, port, rotation etc to master server -> client downloads data from master server -> client picks server to join -> custom maps that the client does not have that are required for that server get downloaded before renegade is loaded using direct connect.

Trouble is... nobody really has time to make it.


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281154 is a reply to message #281142] Sun, 26 August 2007 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A new server browser with BR and NR? I'd commit suicide instantly Razz
There's no need to make a new server browser to implement automatic map downloading.
For future RR releases I've thought about a Steam-like map-download.


Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281205 is a reply to message #281154] Sun, 26 August 2007 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yrr wrote on Sun, 26 August 2007 20:53

A new server browser with BR and NR? I'd commit suicide instantly Razz
There's no need to make a new server browser to implement automatic map downloading.
For future RR releases I've thought about a Steam-like map-download.

If u can solve the problem of having to restart renegade before a new map can load, then you can do that.


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281214 is a reply to message #281205] Mon, 27 August 2007 02:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 08:49

Yrr wrote on Sun, 26 August 2007 20:53

A new server browser with BR and NR? I'd commit suicide instantly Razz
There's no need to make a new server browser to implement automatic map downloading.
For future RR releases I've thought about a Steam-like map-download.

If u can solve the problem of having to restart renegade before a new map can load, then you can do that.


I think he knows about that problem Huh
The idea of writing an automatic downloader has already been discussed more than once. But when you think a little bit it's not that easy as it seems to do something like that for renegade.
And why does everything has to go into bots like BR or NR Tell Me
renrem bots like BR or NR are very limited in what they can do anyway.


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281218 is a reply to message #281142] Mon, 27 August 2007 02:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because most server owners use them, is the obvious answer.

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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281223 is a reply to message #281142] Mon, 27 August 2007 04:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't mean for the bots to do any specific downloading, I meant more like an RG type system where the bot reports server data to a master server, and a server browser client which downloads this information.

Then the player chooses a server to join from the server browser client, and if that server has custom maps the server browser downloads them automatically from the master server before launching renegade and using direct connect to join the server.


Obvious limitations: Only works for people who would download the server browser, relies on the server using a plugin for BR / NR / <Other Bot> to report data to the master server, requires a reliable master server, only maps actually on the master server could be downloaded.



However it would be much quicker to implement than a solution inside renegade itself.


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281228 is a reply to message #281223] Mon, 27 August 2007 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 12:01

I didn't mean for the bots to do any specific downloading, I meant more like an RG type system where the bot reports server data to a master server, and a server browser client which downloads this information.

Then the player chooses a server to join from the server browser client, and if that server has custom maps the server browser downloads them automatically from the master server before launching renegade and using direct connect to join the server.


Obvious limitations: Only works for people who would download the server browser, relies on the server using a plugin for BR / NR / <Other Bot> to report data to the master server, requires a reliable master server, only maps actually on the master server could be downloaded.



However it would be much quicker to implement than a solution inside renegade itself.


"only maps actually on the master server could be downloaded." - How long would it take a server to download the uber map pack? lol

You could ask if XWIS would adjust thier WOL clone.




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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281445 is a reply to message #281142] Tue, 28 August 2007 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281459 is a reply to message #281445] Tue, 28 August 2007 23:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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havocide3 wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 04:41

1.038 please Sarcasm

The community doesn't have access to the update servers.


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281476 is a reply to message #281459] Wed, 29 August 2007 04:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 01:50

havocide3 wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 04:41

1.038 please Sarcasm

The community doesn't have access to the update servers.


He was being sarcastic. rofl


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281478 is a reply to message #281142] Wed, 29 August 2007 04:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It would be nice if the server owners hosted the maps. It seems a little unfair for the owners of the master server(s) to foot the bandwidth bill, especially if they run common maps that are included with Ren.
If a fanmaps server decides it wants to host a shed load of maps, then surely they should lay on the maps for thier community?

Regarding the relaunch of Ren to detect new maps - could something be created much like RG that does a check before hand, and if no maps are found, download it and then continue to launch Ren? The check would obviously have to communicate with the server for it to dish out the map name. Thinking in n00bstories terms- this could be as simple as checking a http resource that simply contains the current map name. Do other server owners have the ability to publish the current map too? I dont see a need to create a whole new and tricky communication path just to get a map name- surely?! Or what about the "thing" that shows the map via XWIS?


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281483 is a reply to message #281142] Wed, 29 August 2007 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, but you really need the map ROTATION, not just the current map, or you still end up disconnecting when the next map rolls around and you don't have that one.

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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281485 is a reply to message #281142] Wed, 29 August 2007 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a solution to this...

I will be discussing it out in the open later on! Smile
Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281492 is a reply to message #281142] Wed, 29 August 2007 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281493 is a reply to message #281142] Wed, 29 August 2007 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281527 is a reply to message #281142] Wed, 29 August 2007 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Somehow it ended up here... http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=25781&start=0&rid=2 2131

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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade Thumbs Up

Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #281551 is a reply to message #281527] Wed, 29 August 2007 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ethenal wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 16:54

Somehow it ended up here... http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=25781&start=0&rid=2 2131


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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #282022 is a reply to message #281142] Sun, 02 September 2007 03:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess the RG-people find that there's enough problems with downloading core patches without this extra possibility.

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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #282156 is a reply to message #282022] Mon, 03 September 2007 03:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Sun, 02 September 2007 05:39

I guess the RG-people find that there's enough problems with downloading core patches without this extra possibility.


Could make it an beta option or something, if it works for some, good, if it doesnn't work for others, shit happens. Thumbs Up
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Re: New idea? Automatic map downloader. [message #295764 is a reply to message #281142] Fri, 09 November 2007 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If someone is willing to do the programming it could work. There will need to be a server side and client side of a program for this to work. Really the only thing that could implement such a thing is RG since it's a server side and client side based software. How it could work is that the server side sends a request to the client seeing if he/she has all the maps needed in their data folder. If they don't, the the client side of the software could download the maps from a dedicated server by first compressing the file and send it over to the client which once received, decompresses the file. If this happens while they play the game, they will have to restart renegade. If people can enter in a server they want to play before they load up RG, then they could get the maps before hand.

I realize there are issues with "Thats going to take a lot of BW", "whose going to pay for the bandwidth"...etc. Well, I'll be the first to point out the obvious, there is more than enough people with servers that have plenty of bandwidth to spare. Look at all the servers with 0/50 players in them. Those people would be the first to volunteer their 1000's of GB of extra bw. I know disk space and bandwidth wont be an issue with and idea like this. Just needs to be organized.


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This has been bumped, but what the heck.

I wouldn't mind seeding a torrent or hosting from home (I get unlimited broadband) - obviously, it would be slow.

Edit - I wouldn't be the only host, I just thought that might help to speed things up.



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