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| puddle_splasher wrote on Tue, 14 August 2007 09:36 |
You are all missing a valid point.
IF "drafting" is imposed then all the shit that you are talking still won't stop you from going.
Get used to the idea that it could happen.
World wars, Vietnam ...........and the rest. They went and some didn't come back, but they still went, regardless of wether they wanted to or not
You are no exception, grow up and get ready to put your boots on 
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Yeah, but the world wars were kinda more important than the W.M. (oil in).D Iraq.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278982 is a reply to message #278942] |
Tue, 14 August 2007 06:42 |
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| puddle_splasher wrote on Tue, 14 August 2007 04:36 |
You are all missing a valid point.
IF "drafting" is imposed then all the shit that you are talking still won't stop you from going.
Get used to the idea that it could happen.
World wars, Vietnam ...........and the rest. They went and some didn't come back, but they still went, regardless of wether they wanted to or not
You are no exception, grow up and get ready to put your boots on
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Wait, so let me get this straight. We all should just shut up and accept the fact that our government can force conscription and will probably do so? That's what we would call being a tool.
You see, this type of government that we have in America, it's not like yours. I know the idea's foreign, but try and follow me. We have this type of government called a republic. This is where the people elect people into office that they want to represent them in the government. These special people that are elected then make decisions for us normal people in the big, scary government.
How do us normal people vote for these special people? Well, we all talk about our views and opinions, then we make decisions based on that, and these special people that want our votes then agrees with one side or the other. This is what we call partisanship. There are two big ones in America, but that's not the topic we're going to get into.
Once these special people get elected, they don't stay elected for the rest of their lives. They only serve for a certain amount of time that we call terms. In order for these special people to be elected again, they have to make the people that voted for them before vote for them again. How do they do that? They do that by listening to what the people have to say.
Also, if these special people don't hear from us normal people, they have nobody to listen to and can make big boo boos and get away with it. Do you see where I'm getting at now? If us normal people voice our opinions to those special people, they will listen to us normal people and make good decisions in the big, scary government.
Edit: It really isn't that fucking hard to understand. If you keep your mouth shut, the elected assholes will do whatever the fuck they please. I don't like trusting half-wits with my money and my freedoms. If I can side with people and make a big enough of a threat to yank these idiots from office, they're not going to fuck with me. If we make it clear that we don't support a draft and will not vote for half-wits who do, they will no longer support a draft, or they will no longer be in office.
Trust me, I get your point about how we're going to have to go if a draft is reinstated, but you make it sound like we shouldn't voice our opinion on it because it would be futile to dissent against it. It's opinions like that which make me want to curb stomp some stupid fuckers.
Edit2: Telling us to "grow up" and get ready for a draft because we're all disagreeing with it really does show how much of a tool you really are.
whoa.
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| Re: The draft! [message #278986 is a reply to message #278982] |
Tue, 14 August 2007 06:56 |
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lol, the electoral college system is shit and widely regarded in the international opinion as such.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279037 is a reply to message #278982] |
Tue, 14 August 2007 11:58 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Tue, 14 August 2007 08:42 |
| puddle_splasher wrote on Tue, 14 August 2007 04:36 |
You are all missing a valid point.
IF "drafting" is imposed then all the shit that you are talking still won't stop you from going.
Get used to the idea that it could happen.
World wars, Vietnam ...........and the rest. They went and some didn't come back, but they still went, regardless of wether they wanted to or not
You are no exception, grow up and get ready to put your boots on
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Wait, so let me get this straight. We all should just shut up and accept the fact that our government can force conscription and will probably do so? That's what we would call being a tool.
You see, this type of government that we have in America, it's not like yours. I know the idea's foreign, but try and follow me. We have this type of government called a republic. This is where the people elect people into office that they want to represent them in the government. These special people that are elected then make decisions for us normal people in the big, scary government.
How do us normal people vote for these special people? Well, we all talk about our views and opinions, then we make decisions based on that, and these special people that want our votes then agrees with one side or the other. This is what we call partisanship. There are two big ones in America, but that's not the topic we're going to get into.
Once these special people get elected, they don't stay elected for the rest of their lives. They only serve for a certain amount of time that we call terms. In order for these special people to be elected again, they have to make the people that voted for them before vote for them again. How do they do that? They do that by listening to what the people have to say.
Also, if these special people don't hear from us normal people, they have nobody to listen to and can make big boo boos and get away with it. Do you see where I'm getting at now? If us normal people voice our opinions to those special people, they will listen to us normal people and make good decisions in the big, scary government.
Edit: It really isn't that fucking hard to understand. If you keep your mouth shut, the elected assholes will do whatever the fuck they please. I don't like trusting half-wits with my money and my freedoms. If I can side with people and make a big enough of a threat to yank these idiots from office, they're not going to fuck with me. If we make it clear that we don't support a draft and will not vote for half-wits who do, they will no longer support a draft, or they will no longer be in office.
Trust me, I get your point about how we're going to have to go if a draft is reinstated, but you make it sound like we shouldn't voice our opinion on it because it would be futile to dissent against it. It's opinions like that which make me want to curb stomp some stupid fuckers.
Edit2: Telling us to "grow up" and get ready for a draft because we're all disagreeing with it really does show how much of a tool you really are.
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Politicians are liars. Every one of them.
They could say they don't support the draft one minute, and after elected, could support it the next minute.
Saying you would go if a draft was instated doesn't make you a tool. It's doing your duty for your country. It doesn't matter if your ideals conflict with it or not.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279178 is a reply to message #279050] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 02:53 |
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If you are naive enough to think that having a discussion on "being drafted for war" is going to come to the attention of the Goverment then think again.
You are being a "tool".
YOU CAN'T STOP WHAT THE GOVERMENT WANTS. YOU VOTED THEM IN AND WILL DO AS YOUR TOLD!! EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF WAR.
Your discussions will do nothing but make you angry. 
As for that old chestnut "I am not fit"!!!! YOU WILL BE AFTER BASIC TRAINING.
Failing that its time for the feathers.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279186 is a reply to message #279178] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 03:59 |
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The way i look at the war in Iraq is this:
1. We are losing a lot of good men and wemen over there.
2. We are in a stalemate.
3. if we pull out of over there, the insurgenest will then realize that they won, and start planning to bomb us again.
(or does no one here remember 9/11, big planes into the world trade center, and the pentagon??)
no win situation. but the worst of two evils is pulling out, and then getting hit by a nuke.
I don't "STEAL", I field aquire
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| Re: The draft! [message #279194 is a reply to message #278492] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 04:40 |
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ether way this war will be going on for years to come.
i personally would skip drafting you can call me a coward but i have to much to loose over here and im not selfish.
if i didn't i probably would i have experience in the military lifestyle.
but drafting for an unjust war is wrong ether way.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279230 is a reply to message #279219] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 09:30 |
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| Renx wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 10:03 |
The Government doesn't do whatever they want, they do whatever they think will get them voted in again.
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good idea, although bush can not get elected again...
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| Re: The draft! [message #279238 is a reply to message #279230] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 10:12 |
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| jimmyny wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 11:30 |
good idea, although bush can not get elected again...
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But the Republican's will be affected by his decisions. Considering most people in government are 'career politicians' , they want to keep their jobs, and will vote with that first and foremost.
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| Re: The draft! [message #279265 is a reply to message #279178] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 13:02 |
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| puddle_splasher wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 04:53 |
YOU CAN'T STOP WHAT THE GOVERMENT WANTS. YOU VOTED THEM IN AND WILL DO AS YOUR TOLD!!
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| Re: The draft! [message #279272 is a reply to message #279268] |
Wed, 15 August 2007 13:35 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 08:28 |
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 16:02 |
| puddle_splasher wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 04:53 |
YOU CAN'T STOP WHAT THE GOVERMENT WANTS. YOU VOTED THEM IN AND WILL DO AS YOUR TOLD!!
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ddermmm
governments are employees of the people, not the other way around
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It's mentality like his that makes government as powerful as it is. He just continues to further my accusation of him being a tool.
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Interesting thing. One of the reasons The Second Amendment was inserted the American Constitution (Right to bear arms) by the Founding Fathers was so that people could resist the government, and military. Historians even posit that the Founding Fathers assumed America would undergo an armed civil revolution every 20-30 years, in order to keep the government afraid of it's citizens, and therefore, elected officials would govern with the country in mind.
The government is supposed to work for YOU. Not the other way around.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: The draft! [message #279397 is a reply to message #279392] |
Thu, 16 August 2007 07:40 |
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why would it be sarcastic?? socalist partys take some funding from trade unions, which are funded by there members, mainly working class people. Americans liked tony blair right?
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