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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278329 is a reply to message #278303] |
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Not my point. My point is despite all their wonderful meanings for being created, religion is ultimately the main source of evil in the world and will eventually lead to humanity's undoing.
I can give you an example to. Look at the War in Iraq. Do you know why that the US, although is attempting to help, are still losing men by the end of the day? Why Iraqi people are still fighting back? It is because they believe it is their religion to do so.
And that is only one example. Another example would be the Holocaust. I can go on forever.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278331 is a reply to message #278329] |
Fri, 10 August 2007 16:31 |
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You're crazy. If there was no religion people wouldn't have morals and their would be even more bloodshed. You're making me angry saying that religion is the root of all evil. And, do you even know WHY Hitler targeted the Jews?
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278365 is a reply to message #278351] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 00:25 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:39 |
religion, in my eyes, is unnecessary and divisive; I don't think the world would suffer if people realized how ridiculous it is
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I don't think religion is the sole cause of all evil. It certainly is not the root of evil. There are other things that divides humans. Some are barriers that were there naturally and some created by us that work against us.
Ethnicity, pride, revenge, greed...these are all natural things that separate us and keep us from unifying.
Flags, countries, borders, national pride...all are sources of division that are created by us. These cause division and many times have led to war.
Suppose you take away religion...do you think it is going to stop murders from taking place? Do you think crime and wars will stop? I don't think so. Humans are flawed beings and all the things I mentioned above will keep us from living in peace. So taking away religion won't solve anything.
| razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:19 |
I can give you an example to. Look at the War in Iraq. Do you know why that the US, although is attempting to help, are still losing men by the end of the day? Why Iraqi people are still fighting back? It is because they believe it is their religion to do so.
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But the United States did not invade to spread Christianity but to try to give them a government that will rule by law not by blood. Granted, the Iraqi's are fighting back with religon as their excuse but it is not the case in all wars. It is the reason with which people use to respond to a situation...here in the Iraq war, that reason is religion.
You may choose to not believe the Bible but some stories in it can be used to look at the argument.
Take Cain for example. God never said "you can't muder" and there was no laws that He had set in the early chapters of Genesis. And yet, Cain murdered Abel out of pure jealousy, greed, and hatred. What religion caused this? None, but his mind caused him to do it.
Humans are flawed creations...we have something hard-wired inside us...and when things don't go our way or go against us, it makes us tick. It is a natural reaction and we can't really help it. No outside variables (like religion) play their part in initially influencing our decision but our mind, our body, our thoughts and emotions; all the things that comes with us naturally.
| razorblade001 wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:19 |
And that is only one example. Another example would be the Holocaust. I can go on forever.
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Hitler did not kill Jews because of their religon...but because they were supposedly inferior to the Aryan race. Remember that the Holocaust includes not only Jews, but Poles, Roma, Slavs and many more peoples.
It was a war that was started on the basis of national pride (German superiority), greed (for land, resources, world domination and global respect), racial superiority complex and so on.
I have black hair, black eyes, and dark skin but I do not practice the Jewish religion. Hitler would still have killed me because I would have then automatically belonged to an "inferior" race...a race so inferior he thought was unfit to live. Only blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin and evidence of German blood would have saved me from Hitler. So where was religion in this whole thing? Nowhere.
Of course there were wars caused by religion but then again, it simply proves that religion or religions is just another variable out of the many mentioned above that can cause divisiveness and lead to war.
Religion simply CANNOT be the source of evil all by itself.
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 19:31 |
You're crazy. If there was no religion people wouldn't have morals and their would be even more bloodshed. You're making me angry saying that religion is the root of all evil. And, do you even know WHY Hitler targeted the Jews?
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Your right, it is how it started out to be.. but not any more.
Basically everything bad that happens these days can always be traced back to religion.
It is like a double edge sword. It has good intentions, but it also has after effects that can sometimes out way the reason for doing it in the first place.
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It is how it started out to be and it is how it still is.
So, I guess all wars in the 21st century are gonna be based on religion? So, India and Pakistan fight because Pakistan is Muslim and India is Hindu? Russians and Chechens are fighting because of their respective religion? North Korea hates the world because of religion? Yes, religion is involved but don't forget nationalism, pride, greed for land and resources, the need to showcase power and so on.
Don't look at one war and simply apply it to all wars. Look at other places of conflict...not just Iraq and Iran.
Of course, I agree with you that most of the coming decades in this century will see the war or wars between extremist Islam and the West but it had not always been the case. And that should not make you say that religion is the source of evil. Looking at the terrorists today, we will be tempted to label off religion as evil but don't forget to look at history and the many other reasons for which mankind went to war against itself.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278406 is a reply to message #278351] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 07:45 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 00:18 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 19:31 |
You're crazy. If there was no religion people wouldn't have morals and their would be even more bloodshed. You're making me angry saying that religion is the root of all evil. And, do you even know WHY Hitler targeted the Jews?
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Your right, it is how it started out to be.. but not any more.
Basically everything bad that happens these days can always be traced back to religion.
It is like a double edge sword. It has good intentions, but it also has after effects that can sometimes out way the reason for doing it in the first place.
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You never answered my question. Starbuzz was right. But, it was also because the Jewish worked in most of the banks, and Germany was going through a depression then, so they blamed the Jewish for their economic problems.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278415 is a reply to message #278365] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 08:49 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 03:25 |
| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:39 |
religion, in my eyes, is unnecessary and divisive; I don't think the world would suffer if people realized how ridiculous it is
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I don't think religion is the sole cause of all evil. It certainly is not the root of evil. There are other things that divides humans. Some are barriers that were there naturally and some created by us that work against us.
Ethnicity, pride, revenge, greed...these are all natural things that separate us and keep us from unifying.
Flags, countries, borders, national pride...all are sources of division that are created by us. These cause division and many times have led to war.
Suppose you take away religion...do you think it is going to stop murders from taking place? Do you think crime and wars will stop? I don't think so. Humans are flawed beings and all the things I mentioned above will keep us from living in peace. So taking away religion won't solve anything.
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it'd still be a step in the right direction
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278424 is a reply to message #278415] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 10:14 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 10:49 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 03:25 |
| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:39 |
religion, in my eyes, is unnecessary and divisive; I don't think the world would suffer if people realized how ridiculous it is
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I don't think religion is the sole cause of all evil. It certainly is not the root of evil. There are other things that divides humans. Some are barriers that were there naturally and some created by us that work against us.
Ethnicity, pride, revenge, greed...these are all natural things that separate us and keep us from unifying.
Flags, countries, borders, national pride...all are sources of division that are created by us. These cause division and many times have led to war.
Suppose you take away religion...do you think it is going to stop murders from taking place? Do you think crime and wars will stop? I don't think so. Humans are flawed beings and all the things I mentioned above will keep us from living in peace. So taking away religion won't solve anything.
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it'd still be a step in the right direction
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You're crazy. I like my religion. I don't want to lose it. It gives me something to look foward to when I die, and keeps me from making the wrong choices.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278425 is a reply to message #255606] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 10:23 |
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It doesn't matter if he was against their religion or not.. the fact of the matter is that he killed BY a specific religion.
Tell me, if there was no religion, how do you suppose he would of separated them from everyone else? He wouldn't. He would of attempted to kill EVERYONE that he thought was inferior. But it wouldn't of happened that way because if he attempted to kill everyone, he wouldn't of been accepted into power.
And I said above, religion means right, but doesn't always repay right.
You said that I said that wars are all based on religion. I didn't say that. I said that all wars.. or any act of violence can be traced back to religion.
I didn't say religion was directly involved.
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Suppose you take away religion...do you think it is going to stop murders from taking place? Do you think crime and wars will stop? I don't think so. Humans are flawed beings and all the things I mentioned above will keep us from living in peace. So taking away religion won't solve anything.
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No, I don't think it would stop either.. but there would be much less taking place.
Do you not realize all the insane people that go around and kill "in the name of God?"
If Religion was to stop tomorrow and fall out of existence (Note I did not say never created) then it wouldn't have any negative effects on the world most of us live in.
BUT It would make those who follow any religion ever so deeply, go... err.. insane.. because, like I said above it is a double edge sword.
And another thing, I not once in this thread said I was against religion, you can go back and check if you must, but I didn't. All I said is that I don't trust it.
It is better to stay clear of it, than along with it, IMO. Because when I compare what I think the right thing to do with most of the religions that say the right thing to do is, I believe what I think is better.
Now I would talk about one specific religion that I think is the worst, but I don't want to start any religious conflicts here..
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278433 is a reply to message #278431] |
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Well what I have been saying so far is a generalization for ALL religions. But there is one specific religion that lets you do what ever the crap you want and get away with it. I have already said to much, I am not replying again.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278437 is a reply to message #278424] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 11:40 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 13:14 |
| mrpirate wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 10:49 |
| Starbuzz wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 03:25 |
| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:39 |
religion, in my eyes, is unnecessary and divisive; I don't think the world would suffer if people realized how ridiculous it is
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I don't think religion is the sole cause of all evil. It certainly is not the root of evil. There are other things that divides humans. Some are barriers that were there naturally and some created by us that work against us.
Ethnicity, pride, revenge, greed...these are all natural things that separate us and keep us from unifying.
Flags, countries, borders, national pride...all are sources of division that are created by us. These cause division and many times have led to war.
Suppose you take away religion...do you think it is going to stop murders from taking place? Do you think crime and wars will stop? I don't think so. Humans are flawed beings and all the things I mentioned above will keep us from living in peace. So taking away religion won't solve anything.
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it'd still be a step in the right direction
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You're crazy. I like my religion. I don't want to lose it. It gives me something to look foward to when I die, and keeps me from making the wrong choices.
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doesn't it occur to you that you could be wrong?
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278439 is a reply to message #278437] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 11:53 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Sat, 11 August 2007 13:40 |
doesn't it occur to you that you could be wrong?
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And why do you care? So what if he is indeed wrong? So what? He should be allowed to practice his beliefs without criticism no matter how strange it is to you.
How does it possibly affect your life? Is it so annoying to you that you need to disturb his peaceful practices by pointing out that he is wrong..and then causing him needless grief?
If he believes that it will give him peace on Earth and eternal life in Heaven, then so be it. He should be free to practice it without restraint and objections by others.
There are some areas we as a society can correct each other in...but when it comes to religion (especially one where it DOES NOT affect you negatively), let them be.
Why cause more contention and strife by saying that they are wrong? This is the same kind of attitude that starts off needless arguments.
Sure, you can freely use your intellect to reason but you must use that same intellect to first make sure your questioning won't bring needless strife to this already fragile world.
P.S: Sorry for the double post.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278453 is a reply to message #255606] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 14:43 |
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Religion (ie. the belief in a god) does not dictate killing. Heck, even Satanism does not permit outright killing, and that is a religion aimed at the worship of "evil"
Religion, however, makes a great target to get people to do what you want them to, not because religion is wrong, but because people use it for the wrong reasons.
The ultimate culprit here is beliefs. The only reason religion gets all the "credit", is because it is based entirely on a belief structure. People, regardless of who it is or what it is based in, will not give up their beliefs... for anything.
Just take a look at the thread about the possibility of people being implanted with microchips that can track their location... people are quite ready to revolt because of their BELIEF that their right to privacy is paramount. That has nothing to do with religion, but yet, it would not get nearly the same kind of treatment as someone coming up and saying "my religion says I can not have it implanted in me". People would be all over that claiming that religion is just something evil that the person is using as an excuse.
Religion is not evil. The people who use it for evil are evil.
It's the same argument people have to support the right to bear arms. It's not the gun that kills people, it's the person holding the gun who kills people. Therefor, they say that the gun should be left alone and the punishment should only happen to the person who used the item for evil.
Religion does not cause violence.
The same argument as before... it's the person who uses religion as the excuse for violence. However, for every person who uses it for violence, there is someone who uses religion as an "excuse" to not cause violence. There are many people who would take violent actions, but don't only because their religion says it is wrong.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278491 is a reply to message #278453] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 21:21 |
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I'm stopping posting. I'm getting very aggrivated and upset that people are saying religion is the source of most evil. I can't STAND it. Thank you StarBuzz for sticking up for me, I really appreciate it. It means a lot to me.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278500 is a reply to message #278332] |
Sat, 11 August 2007 22:28 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 18:39 |
religion, in my eyes, is unnecessary and divisive; I don't think the world would suffer if people realized how ridiculous it is
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Wait, you think God doesn't exist because he's unnecessary? Hillary Clinton is unnecessary in my eyes, to bad the that logic doesn't follow the same suit. :/
Besides, the world would be better off in my opinion if they practiced ANY kind of religion that was good at it's core. Maybe then there would be substantially less rape, murder, and overall loose morality.
While I see the arguement that religion can and has been used as a vessel to vie for control over people on a spiritual and/or idealistic level in some cases, don't blame God for those instances and then claim he doesn't exist just because you see him as unnecessary.
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