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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272370 is a reply to message #272005] Tue, 10 July 2007 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jake just fucking stop it, the government isn't out to get you and you need to cut it out. Ever since you changed your political affiliation you have been arguing ridiculous crap for absolutely no reason.

Edit: after watching that video the computer system is highly unrealistic the caller's medical records are private and will never be publicly available. It is almost impossible for a average person to obtain their own medical records.Oh and our current state driver license for the State of Michigan meets all Real ID act requirements so piss off and stop trying to cause panic.

"Common machine readable technology," NOT RF IDs The simple magnetic strip on the back of most IDs is what they are talking about. You don't like your information on it rub it on a magnet.


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272375 is a reply to message #272005] Tue, 10 July 2007 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why should I support the dissolving of my rights? We're inching closer and closer to a police state. It's ridiculous. You need to watch the entire movie instead of just that clip. I watched it last night, and it's scary.

The fact that my government WANTS to be able to know where I'm at is scary. Why should they want to know that? Everyday Americans are not criminals, so why should we be tracked by our government? I'm not under house arrest. I haven't done anything illegal.

Also, name some "ridiculous crap" that I've been arguing. I want you to mention why it's so ridiculous, too.


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272472 is a reply to message #272005] Wed, 11 July 2007 04:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Isn't this just about the card and not the chip? They said they were discussing it but nothing more. As for the chip in the card I doubt it will hold that much more information than it already held about you. Also on the monitoring point they have had capabilities of monitoring what you say and do for some time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON . I guess that difference here is that with Echelon you actually had to do something for them to have the authority to listen in. I have also seen that recently quite a few things are going that way for example new passports and driving licenses seem to contain information digitally now which I guess is a similar principle. Tin foil hats at the ready!

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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272530 is a reply to message #272005] Wed, 11 July 2007 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, could help but post this link with the tin foil hat reference...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272543 is a reply to message #272530] Wed, 11 July 2007 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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warranto wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 16:54

Sorry, could help but post this link with the tin foil hat reference...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml



Blizzard posted that before i left the WoW community.

They did that as an april fool's joke, cos on the WoW forums, alot of people were conspiring about the company favouring certain classes...etc...


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272546 is a reply to message #272005] Wed, 11 July 2007 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh I know.

I've played the game for almost a year and a half now (maybe longer?).
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272755 is a reply to message #272005] Thu, 12 July 2007 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Every MMO has that problem. In Guild Wars it's the same damn thing.

Some people say Arenanet hates Paragons, some say they hate Warriors, Some say they hate Mesmers, or Ritualists. Just because some builds get nerfed and people are too lazy to come up with new ones.


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272765 is a reply to message #272755] Thu, 12 July 2007 08:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jecht wrote on Thu, 12 July 2007 14:49

Every MMO has that problem. In Guild Wars it's the same damn thing.

Some people say Arenanet hates Paragons, some say they hate Warriors, Some say they hate Mesmers, or Ritualists. Just because some builds get nerfed and people are too lazy to come up with new ones.



With WoW it seemed to rotate with every patch with the previous OP class being the now-worst


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #272801 is a reply to message #272005] Thu, 12 July 2007 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh, ok.. enough with the MMO stuff.. I didn't mean to get us this far off track.
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #273664 is a reply to message #272005] Mon, 16 July 2007 13:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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anyway... Back on topic.

I Peridected in the future that republics and demoracy will fall. Soon every nation, including ones in Europe, Will try to make their contry so "sucure" that the presidents/priministers and congress/parliment won't relize what they are doing.

I bet in the future, Arm gaurds everywhere, No freedoms of speech for the fear of terrorists, Every assembly will result in instant exucution, you'll be lucky to have a trail. We'll have a machine in our houses that constantly checks us every time we leave the house. No cars, but goverment trains to take you to places the goverment says to go.

The goverments will also sqeeze every half-penny and resources out off our hands, any thing that can harm. They will make us work in fatorys to make weapons to fight against the newly form rebellion or make us join the army or air force. And a small ration, the same size at every house will be your "pay."

Then comes your chance. The voting poll. Of cource the last thirdy years no one voted for no one. And voted no against any tax or law. But this time the polls are gone. The goverment thinks that your votes are favoring the rebellion. And stop the last light of demorcacy. The countries of earth will be a imperilistic Communism uder one corrupted leader, that insipered hundrerds in of followers and murdered millions who express their oppions, and fought aggaist the goverment.

Our Act of open rebellion is expect in 20 years. We must start a orgization and find a new, vauled, resource. Who's with me when this happens?


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #273673 is a reply to message #273664] Mon, 16 July 2007 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tankkiller wrote on Mon, 16 July 2007 21:12

anyway... Back on topic.

I Peridected in the future that republics and demoracy will fall. Soon every nation, including ones in Europe, Will try to make their contry so "sucure" that the presidents/priministers and congress/parliment won't relize what they are doing.

I bet in the future, Arm gaurds everywhere, No freedoms of speech for the fear of terrorists, Every assembly will result in instant exucution, you'll be lucky to have a trail. We'll have a machine in our houses that constantly checks us every time we leave the house. No cars, but goverment trains to take you to places the goverment says to go.

The goverments will also sqeeze every half-penny and resources out off our hands, any thing that can harm. They will make us work in fatorys to make weapons to fight against the newly form rebellion or make us join the army or air force. And a small ration, the same size at every house will be your "pay."

Then comes your chance. The voting poll. Of cource the last thirdy years no one voted for no one. And voted no against any tax or law. But this time the polls are gone. The goverment thinks that your votes are favoring the rebellion. And stop the last light of demorcacy. The countries of earth will be a imperilistic Communism uder one corrupted leader, that insipered hundrerds in of followers and murdered millions who express their oppions, and fought aggaist the goverment.

Our Act of open rebellion is expect in 20 years. We must start a orgization and find a new, vauled, resource. Who's with me when this happens?



Say anymore and im sure Geaorge Lucas will sue! Razz


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #273695 is a reply to message #272005] Mon, 16 July 2007 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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simply put it is an invasion of privacy

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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #273823 is a reply to message #273673] Tue, 17 July 2007 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ancient_and_forever wrote on Mon, 16 July 2007 15:28

tankkiller wrote on Mon, 16 July 2007 21:12

....WORDS....




Say anymore and im sure Geaorge Lucas will sue! Razz


I'm also getting a hint of George Orwell in there as well. Originality for the win.


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #274121 is a reply to message #272005] Wed, 18 July 2007 18:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I really need to read that book. I may actually go up to the library right now. Big Ups
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #274179 is a reply to message #272005] Thu, 19 July 2007 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I feel you z310, for some reason I feel like I'm missing out there since I hear it referenced so often. Can't believe my High School made me read "The Great Gadspy" instead of something I could've used.

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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #275001 is a reply to message #272217] Sun, 22 July 2007 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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warranto wrote on Tue, 10 July 2007 08:42


Besides, if you are worried about chips...
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6038770.html



It was also recently revealed that not only can they easily track anyone with a cellphone, they also have the ability to remotely activate your cellphones microphone, so they can listen in on your location.
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #275036 is a reply to message #272005] Sun, 22 July 2007 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless you remove the battery from the phone (in my case, that would be nearly impossible, unless I wanted to no longer have a functioning phone).

whoa.
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #275185 is a reply to message #272005] Mon, 23 July 2007 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Apparently the iphone has an NSA backdoor in it. Also, you can't remove the battery from it. The feds must love them.

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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #279573 is a reply to message #272005] Fri, 17 August 2007 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The TSA will now have "Behavior Detection Officers". Why? To read the body language and facial expressions of air travelers. You know, travelers will "ill intent". There's also a science surrounding this bullshit. I swear to God, why is America being turned into a nation of paranoid fucktards?

http://www.lp.org/yourturn/archives/000678.shtml


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #279592 is a reply to message #279573] Fri, 17 August 2007 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 17 August 2007 10:12

The TSA will now have "Behavior Detection Officers". Why? To read the body language and facial expressions of air travelers. You know, travelers will "ill intent". There's also a science surrounding this bullshit. I swear to God, why is America being turned into a nation of paranoid fucktards?

http://www.lp.org/yourturn/archives/000678.shtml


OMFG! This country is getting fucked up from the inside for sure. Seriously, this "Behavior Detection" is the most bullshitest thing I ever heard.

And now how many innocent people will now be stopped and questioned...how embarrasing will it be?

For example, I have black hair, black eyes and dark skin (I am an immigrant)...and unfortunately I don't smile a lot...OMG! Now they are definitely gonna stop me and ask my intent (yeah right, I am gonna hijack the damned plane!)...think about it. What if other paranoid fucktard air travellers complain to these "officers" (aka legalized steroetyping officers) that this one air traveller look suspicious to them?

Damn this shit. It's only gonna affect immigrants/minorities but I think it won't stop the "officers" from stopping whites too just for fucks sakes. Angry


P.S. Well, I travel a lot to my native homeland...I will keep everyone here posted if some bullshit happens to me or if I see things like this happening in airports. Huh


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #279602 is a reply to message #272005] Fri, 17 August 2007 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Behaviour Detection?! ROFLMAO.

Please. Will the people detecting 'suspicious behaviour' be of the same excellent, conscientious, and intelligent pedigree as regular airport security? Because every person I have come across in airport security is a total mongoloid.

What exactly IS suspicious behaviour, anyway. I'm sure terrorists are smart enough to know NOT to recite verses from the Qu'aran in the terminal.

I'm going to have fun with these security measures next time I head out of the continent. I'm already starting to brush up on my "maniacally-evil laugh" , and my "fast-hands" is pretty good. I'll also start perfecting a "mustache twirl" , even though I don't have one. Of course, "shifty eyes" is always very suspicious behaviour; bonus points if you cut out a set of eye-holes in a newspaper, and do "shifty eyes" through that. Big Grin


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #279694 is a reply to message #279602] Fri, 17 August 2007 19:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 17 August 2007 11:19


What exactly IS suspicious behaviour, anyway. I'm sure terrorists are smart enough to know NOT to recite verses from the Qu'aran in the terminal.


That's right, because every terrorist in the world is muslim.
Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #280066 is a reply to message #272211] Sun, 19 August 2007 23:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ghostshaw wrote on Tue, 10 July 2007 11:01

I find americans so amusing.

On one ahnd they say: OMG NO KEEP US SAFE! and then when their goverment comes up with something that can potentially make a sever difference, they all complain that it infringes their privacy.

FYI this wouldn't be all that different from a normal ID as RFID range is very very limited. And when your for example inside a car, it won't work because it acts like a cage of farraday, blocking out all radiowaves.

-Ghost-

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Canadacdn wrote on Mon, 23 July 2007 21:32

Apparently the iphone has an NSA backdoor in it. Also, you can't remove the battery from it. The feds must love them.


That's why you don't get an iPhone. Plus, you save $X hundred and avoid dealing with AT&T.


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Re: Real ID Act and the Threat of a Police State [message #280543 is a reply to message #272230] Wed, 22 August 2007 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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looks like propoganda to me, really it dose llok like propoganda dont get your mind sucked into this yet. i dunno but shit like this really dose poison people and scares them into beleiving this stuff. Hey also in the constitution it also says if you dont like the government thats is set up you can over-throw it.

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