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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269513 is a reply to message #269489] Thu, 28 June 2007 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 20:53

I cant purposely ruin the new wol ladder so I didn't vote, put a half decent candiate that wouldn't be biased (I would have voted for herr or EWD, but they have things to gain=maybe biased, probably not but...), or that knows that they are doing...MexPirate? Great choice renforums Thumbs Up

I think trooprm is a lil mad he isn't on the ballot.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269529 is a reply to message #269471] Thu, 28 June 2007 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MexPirate wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 20:12

bisen11 wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 16:35

Mex is asking his clan to vote for him. Not sure that's exactly fair. Seeing as how those people wouldn't be basing it off of skill.


lol, if I was elected then I would be discussing it with members of my clan and obviously I have told them about this - sure they are obviously going to vote for me as after all I am the only candidate who would talk directly to them and bring their ideas to the table.

You trying to tell me nobody else has voted for people because of the communities/clans they are with? rofl.


With that comment, you've truely shown to me that you wouldn't be the greatest for the job.
Your bringing your clan into this, not your abilites as a leader.
Your making it unfair to people who are asking the community, not a party of +1 votes for mex.
Which is all BBF is to you in regards to this.
Why does BBF have any say over any other clan?
Why should we pay attention more to them over any other clan?
Your reasons as why its ok to have your clan vote is complete bullshit and unfair, and I think it would be fair to have you D/qed from this poll.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269541 is a reply to message #269097] Thu, 28 June 2007 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know EWD and his skills + his dedication to the community. He will do a good job

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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269542 is a reply to message #269097] Fri, 29 June 2007 00:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@ Crimson: polls like these will always end up in a "popularity contest". It's all a matter of voting for whom you trust and know.

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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269543 is a reply to message #269097] Fri, 29 June 2007 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know EWD online - he is mature, has integrity, has fantastic skills as demonstrated at BI - plays frequently

he appears to me to be the ideal candidate to contribute quality input from the community on behalf of all of the community without bias

he is a bit Evil though....................... Thumbs Up
Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269551 is a reply to message #269529] Fri, 29 June 2007 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renerage wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 00:58

MexPirate wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 20:12

bisen11 wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 16:35

Mex is asking his clan to vote for him. Not sure that's exactly fair. Seeing as how those people wouldn't be basing it off of skill.


lol, if I was elected then I would be discussing it with members of my clan and obviously I have told them about this - sure they are obviously going to vote for me as after all I am the only candidate who would talk directly to them and bring their ideas to the table.

You trying to tell me nobody else has voted for people because of the communities/clans they are with? rofl.


With that comment, you've truely shown to me that you wouldn't be the greatest for the job.
Your bringing your clan into this, not your abilites as a leader.
Your making it unfair to people who are asking the community, not a party of +1 votes for mex.
Which is all BBF is to you in regards to this.
Why does BBF have any say over any other clan?
Why should we pay attention more to them over any other clan?
Your reasons as why its ok to have your clan vote is complete bullshit and unfair, and I think it would be fair to have you D/qed from this poll.



Oh I'm sorry I thought this vote was open to the renegade community and not just renforums? last I checked the members of our renegade division formed a part of that community - I apologise for actually having friends in this game who think I would be the best candidate FOR THEM.

BBF doesn't and won't have "more say than any other clan" if other clans choose not to come here and vote that's up to them - as I said from the start though non-biased people are most likely to vote for EWD, he is the only candidate really known in this community for his work on improving this game and that's why this poll was decided before it even began.

The reason I would like to be on the team is because I see 3? members representative of n00bstories, 1 from Jelly and one from (ex)nonn00bs (all large communities), if importance isn't also given to smaller games where individual skill actually counts for something then this ladder will be completely irrelevant to me and pretty much any player who doesn't frequent the "top of the page" servers. I also find it hard to believe that members who aren't particularly skillfull in this game can then turn around and define what being skillful should be, I am not anywhere near the best in this game but personally believe I am the best PLAYER out of the candidates put up and for reasons listed above I think that is important in this situation.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269588 is a reply to message #269542] Fri, 29 June 2007 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 02:03

@ Crimson: polls like these will always end up in a "popularity contest". It's all a matter of voting for whom you trust and know.



finally someone apart from me smart enought to relize it...like I said, they will vote for basically anyone just because of the fact they can, hence why I think this vote doesnt even matter because no one on that list is a 100% match Whats That


Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269608 is a reply to message #269097] Fri, 29 June 2007 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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after all the comments i read. if possible i would like to take my vote back from mex and give it to ewd..... i dunno what i was thinking. Dont Get It
Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269615 is a reply to message #269588] Fri, 29 June 2007 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 16:57

Goztow wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 02:03

@ Crimson: polls like these will always end up in a "popularity contest". It's all a matter of voting for whom you trust and know.



finally someone apart from me smart enought to relize it...like I said, they will vote for basically anyone just because of the fact they can, hence why I think this vote doesnt even matter because no one on that list is a 100% match Whats That


Do you know someone who WOULD BE a 100% match? Now don't tell me you would be the only 100% match, because, no you would not.
And I'm sure that for at least some people I wouldn't be a 100% match either. Just because they either preffer someone else, or think I'm biased because of the BI server size.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269621 is a reply to message #269097] Fri, 29 June 2007 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Remember when someone said 'Wah wah Crimmy you are so biased - you should run this forum as a pure democracy!'... this is exactly why I can't.

However, I would be equally satisfied having MexPirate or EWD on the team, so at least the end result is working.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269623 is a reply to message #269621] Fri, 29 June 2007 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 18:42

Remember when someone said 'Wah wah Crimmy you are so biased - you should run this forum as a pure democracy!'... this is exactly why I can't.

However, I would be equally satisfied having MexPirate or EWD on the team, so at least the end result is working.


how the ladder turns out dosnt just affect the forum, it affects anyone that plays ren...


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269627 is a reply to message #269097] Fri, 29 June 2007 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A poll for 1/7th ain't exactly pure democracy Wink. Not that a team democratically choosen would do a good job...

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trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 09:57

Goztow wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 02:03

@ Crimson: polls like these will always end up in a "popularity contest". It's all a matter of voting for whom you trust and know.



finally someone apart from me smart enought to relize it...like I said, they will vote for basically anyone just because of the fact they can, hence why I think this vote doesnt even matter because no one on that list is a 100% match Whats That



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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269637 is a reply to message #269627] Fri, 29 June 2007 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 13:17

A poll for 1/7th ain't exactly pure democracy Wink. Not that a team democratically choosen would do a good job...


well no, but as crimsons "side" has 3 and spoonys "side" have 3, so this 7th person will more than likly have the deciding vote so its kinda like how jurys listen to both cases and make up there own mind
Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269645 is a reply to message #269097] Fri, 29 June 2007 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well another thing is, *we* are being like a bunch of politicians..
What about some1 who plays the game for fun, 1 day goes on and its all screwy to them, because they don't even know this forum exist so they have no say on something <hence, i was 1 of those people, but then joined a clan... I only knew what happens in RA2 because I wanted to know more about whats going on in developers minds then just playing it, unlike ren where I just enjoyed playing it.

(And I think EWD would make the best decisions, not basing them on his own benefits.)

Things shouldn't be based on democracy because that causes flame wars and useless political battles over the obvious just because some1 wants power/there voice heard over every1 else's, it should be based on what ALL the people think with a couple compromises of what you think would bring best results for the community w/out worrying about your or your *clans*(for say) benefits, to make every1 happy.

And voters are a major issue because most likely they will vote for who they are friends with or who sounds the most convincing, and the people who would vote for who will do the best job don't care to vote < like the US government...

What if you just brought up main issues publicly, then after you hear voice opinions, decide for yourself using what the people like...


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269697 is a reply to message #269551] Fri, 29 June 2007 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MexPirate wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 03:56

Renerage wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 00:58

MexPirate wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 20:12

bisen11 wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 16:35

Mex is asking his clan to vote for him. Not sure that's exactly fair. Seeing as how those people wouldn't be basing it off of skill.


lol, if I was elected then I would be discussing it with members of my clan and obviously I have told them about this - sure they are obviously going to vote for me as after all I am the only candidate who would talk directly to them and bring their ideas to the table.

You trying to tell me nobody else has voted for people because of the communities/clans they are with? rofl.


With that comment, you've truely shown to me that you wouldn't be the greatest for the job.
Your bringing your clan into this, not your abilites as a leader.
Your making it unfair to people who are asking the community, not a party of +1 votes for mex.
Which is all BBF is to you in regards to this.
Why does BBF have any say over any other clan?
Why should we pay attention more to them over any other clan?
Your reasons as why its ok to have your clan vote is complete bullshit and unfair, and I think it would be fair to have you D/qed from this poll.



Oh I'm sorry I thought this vote was open to the renegade community and not just renforums? last I checked the members of our renegade division formed a part of that community - I apologise for actually having friends in this game who think I would be the best candidate FOR THEM.

BBF doesn't and won't have "more say than any other clan" if other clans choose not to come here and vote that's up to them - as I said from the start though non-biased people are most likely to vote for EWD, he is the only candidate really known in this community for his work on improving this game and that's why this poll was decided before it even began.

The reason I would like to be on the team is because I see 3? members representative of n00bstories, 1 from Jelly and one from (ex)nonn00bs (all large communities), if importance isn't also given to smaller games where individual skill actually counts for something then this ladder will be completely irrelevant to me and pretty much any player who doesn't frequent the "top of the page" servers. I also find it hard to believe that members who aren't particularly skillfull in this game can then turn around and define what being skillful should be, I am not anywhere near the best in this game but personally believe I am the best PLAYER out of the candidates put up and for reasons listed above I think that is important in this situation.


What defines a good player? The fact that your always at the top of the points? Always winning 1 Vs. 1's?
Clan wars and top of points dont make you a great player.

Tbh, "Great Player" doesnt revolve around the word skill.
His attitude, skill, teamwork, community involvement, being a pleasure to play against/with makes a person a good player.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269738 is a reply to message #269097] Sat, 30 June 2007 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you missed my point. I'm saying that even such a minor thing as voting on 1/7th's of a committee turns into people going off topic, people voting for their friends rather than their opinions, etc. But don't worry... with the people we have in the group, I have every confidence that we WILL come up with something that really works for us.

Now, if only dude at EA would finally send me the box of goodies he's been promising so I have prizes...


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269745 is a reply to message #269738] Sat, 30 June 2007 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Sat, 30 June 2007 10:05

I think you missed my point. I'm saying that even such a minor thing as voting on 1/7th's of a committee turns into people going off topic, people voting for their friends rather than their opinions, etc. But don't worry... with the people we have in the group, I have every confidence that we WILL come up with something that really works for us.

Now, if only dude at EA would finally send me the box of goodies he's been promising so I have prizes...

I didn't miss your point Smile. Was just pointing out the danger of using this word around here Wink.


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269757 is a reply to message #269097] Sat, 30 June 2007 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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still, creating a ladder that awards people for all their skill, teamwork, and things like that is impossible, since the things that would need recording just cant be recorded well enough to give them a rank.


I have no doubts that this ladder will be better than WOLs old ladder where all that counts is points...


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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269760 is a reply to message #269097] Sat, 30 June 2007 03:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Indeed. The old ladder was nasty, because if you joined your favourite server, on a game with about 15 minutes left, and the team you were on had no Air/Wf or Bar/HON then you'd make very few points (you wouldn't want to leave - it's your favourite server!) and then you'd be fined like 80 ladder points for having a low score, when you couldn't actually make a high score, because you had no vechs or inf.

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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269764 is a reply to message #269760] Sat, 30 June 2007 03:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CarrierII wrote on Sat, 30 June 2007 11:35

Indeed. The old ladder was nasty, because if you joined your favourite server, on a game with about 15 minutes left, and the team you were on had no Air/Wf or Bar/HON then you'd make very few points (you wouldn't want to leave - it's your favourite server!) and then you'd be fined like 80 ladder points for having a low score, when you couldn't actually make a high score, because you had no vechs or inf.

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Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269785 is a reply to message #269097] Sat, 30 June 2007 08:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just get the old WOL ladder working.
Re: Poll - Renegade Ladder candidate [message #269792 is a reply to message #269097] Sat, 30 June 2007 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They do have it working; they want a better formula to determine the rankings by selecting people to give their input and collaborate to create what is their idea of the best way to do it. That's what this is for.

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Meh...If the poll was open/I was able to vote in time, I'd give my vote to either Oblivion or EWD.

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I set a timer on the vote so there'd be a definite point when it closed, otherwise people would just complain about us waiting until a certain person was ahead and then closing it.

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