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The basic problem in America is that there is a large group of conservatives with a lot of power (political power, lobbying power, the power to convince people to boycott certain companies etc) and these conservatives (which in some cases is allied with various Christian church groups) think that anything vaguely pornographic or sexual has to be banned. Ergo, the various stakeholders have effectively banned this stuff (with the ESRB giving most pornographic or sexual content an AO rating and then stores generally refusing to carry AO rated games for fear of boycotts etc)
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Thu, 28 June 2007 12:39 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 07:38 |
| puddle_splasher wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 11:15 |
Be realistic guys. Any parent attempting to censor anything from you lot would be met with derision and grief. You would merely turn your back and seek what you wanted.
Parents can only advise you on what not to watch. You all make your own choice thereafter. 
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Oh, wise one, could you be so kind as to tell us how you parent your child(ren) then? Obviously, you can't say "no", else they'll go behind their back.
Ever think that this logic is why there is so much censorship? Parents obviously are shrugging off their responsibility and blaming the nature of children as to why they shouldn't have to try.
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Yeah...in America, parents don't generally spank their children. I think they should...I remember the time when my mom tore my neck off when she saw the pentagram in my screen while I was playing Doom...that was in 1995.
Parents should establish who's the boss...the children are free to get lost and do whatever they want after they grow up and leave the home.
| jonwil wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 08:39 |
The basic problem in America is that there is a large group of conservatives with a lot of power (political power, lobbying power, the power to convince people to boycott certain companies etc) and these conservatives (which in some cases is allied with various Christian church groups) think that anything vaguely pornographic or sexual has to be banned. Ergo, the various stakeholders have effectively banned this stuff (with the ESRB giving most pornographic or sexual content an AO rating and then stores generally refusing to carry AO rated games for fear of boycotts etc)
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Well, maybe there is a reason behind it. Even vague sexuality can give these kids ideas.
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Thu, 28 June 2007 12:47 |
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Yeah...in America, parents don't generally spank their children. I think they should...I remember the time when my mom tore my neck off when she saw the pentagram in my screen while I was playing Doom...that was in 1995.
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well i was pretty young then and was only playing cnc95 -.- nothing else to play back in china those days *mutters something about expensive computers that are shitty in china*
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Fri, 29 June 2007 07:17 |
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| jonwil wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 09:39 |
The basic problem in America is that there is a large group of conservatives with a lot of power (political power, lobbying power, the power to convince people to boycott certain companies etc) and these conservatives (which in some cases is allied with various Christian church groups) think that anything vaguely pornographic or sexual has to be banned. Ergo, the various stakeholders have effectively banned this stuff (with the ESRB giving most pornographic or sexual content an AO rating and then stores generally refusing to carry AO rated games for fear of boycotts etc)
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Wow, how can you be so wrong, yet think you're so right?
It's not just the fucking conservatives doing the censoring. Even as a Republican, I was against censoring. Ever hear of Political Correctness? That's a type of censoring spearheaded by the left. If anything, liberals are the driving force behind these censoring organizations. Sure, there are Christians and right-wing nutjobs like Jack Thompson who are pushing for more censorship, but it's still a majority of liberals doing this.
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| jonwil wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 09:39 |
The basic problem in America is that there is a large group of conservatives with a lot of power (political power, lobbying power, the power to convince people to boycott certain companies etc) and these conservatives (which in some cases is allied with various Christian church groups) think that anything vaguely pornographic or sexual has to be banned. Ergo, the various stakeholders have effectively banned this stuff (with the ESRB giving most pornographic or sexual content an AO rating and then stores generally refusing to carry AO rated games for fear of boycotts etc)
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Wow, how can you be so wrong, yet think you're so right?
It's not just the fucking conservatives doing the censoring. Even as a Republican, I was against censoring. Ever hear of Political Correctness? That's a type of censoring spearheaded by the left. If anything, liberals are the driving force behind these censoring organizations. Sure, there are Christians and right-wing nutjobs like Jack Thompson who are pushing for more censorship, but it's still a majority of liberals doing this.
whoa.
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Fri, 29 June 2007 20:42 |
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Part of me believes that the Final Destination movies were supposed to be comedies and not "Horror" movies. The fact that Sean Scott is in the first one gives the producer's intentions away.
On a serious note though, the stupidity of the plot (or lack of a plot) is enough to make you chuckle when one of the characters dies. Take the first movie for example, the way the teacher dies: She pours ice cold liquor into a glass which previously had scorching hot liquid in it, which causes it to shatter. Little drops of whatever she's drinking drop into the monitor of her computer making it blow up, slicing her throat. My memory is shady, but i'm pretty sure the pain makes her drop to the floor and when she reaches for a towel on top of the table, a knife falls on her stabbing her in the chest. Then the main character comes in to try to save her but he accidentally knocks a chair on her pulling the knife deeper into her, then the fire from the computer blowing up plus a gas leak cause the house to blow to pieces.
SERIOUSLY. That shit isn't scary, its pathetic. The odds of people dying the way they do in the Final Destination movies is so slim that it makes them funny in a stupid (not sick) kind of way.
"Horror" movies become more pointless by the second. That movie Hostel... was there even a point to that? Personally, I don't mind gore in movies as i'm not easily grossed out. "Horror" movies now a days don't need to tone down on the gore, they only need to tone up on the imagination, IMHO.
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This is why I like playing Renegade, when you kill someone, it's because you're "at war" and the violence isn't horrible.
When I play UT, I always play the objective based games (CTF, assault) because killing for the sake of killing is pyschopathic.
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| Doitle wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 22:13 |
I'll take an unpopular side here but... I wouldn't mind violence being toned back. I mean some games are just so excessive I can't play them or at least don't like to. Fighting games used to be fighting games. I have no fucking interest in seeing or hearing broken bones. I want to fight, empty the health bars and have one of us fall down. Even the old Mortal Kombats were fine by me. Unrealistic violence at such a level it's goofy. FATALITY and the person explodes and you see like 25 skulls all come out of the explosion along with tens of rib cages and enough bones for a small crowd. From one guy.
Anyhow I really feel that most of the violence in games today is just frivolous and excessive. I played GTA:SA and you know what I had to do during the mission on the cargo ship? The one where you only have the knife. I had to turn off the sound and look away whenever I had to kill someone because I just can't handle that. Slitting the throats... Gah just writing it kinda gives me the willies. Anyhow that game was completely functional without that little added bit of violence. Now I'm not saying everyone should be harshly censored but more, saying the game companies should take a hard look at their product and evaluate what really DOES add to their game and what doesn't. Would you guys consider Renegade a better game if when you shot the ramjet it blew peoples limbs off? I certainly wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have even really gotten involved in the game if that were the case.
This brings me to something else. Something that's really starting to worry me. The shifting "genre" of horror films. Horror films used to be mostly about psychological fear and mood. There are some scarey black and white horror films out there, they set the right mood and are shot and created in such a way as to elicit fear without using outrageous amounts of gore or violence. You see a shadow and then the screen cuts black and then lightning. You know someone died. You don't see any organs rolling out onto the floor. Nowadays there are a whole slew of these Pseudo-Horror films. The Saw movies, Hostel, Touristas. These movies aren't horror films anymore. They are snuff films. The main focus is on coming up with the most horrible way for everyone to die. The Final Destination movies come to mind too because... I mean the whole premise behind them is pretty weak. Let's just find a way to horribly kill everyone in accidents that people might be able to relate to. I bet that'll be scarey. It really worries me because these aren't like hidden little films in dark corners... These are top box office selling movies.
Anyhow I guess I'm done with my rant here. That's just been simmering away for a while and I finally found a place to put it into words. I'd be interested to see what you guys think about all this though.
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I actually agree with this... But with certain games you expect a level of gore. e.g. Previews and trailers for Bioshock. You expect these inhuman monsters to be killed in some gruesome way. With cnc of course, the gore is comical. In this game, we have people falling over dead; electrocuted by volt autos or a pic; people burning and falling from flames, lasers and the railgun. No gore except a little burst of blood where you're shot.In UT you EXPECT to find people's arms shot off or people's beheaded necks splurting blood. In MK, you EXPECT people's spines to be ripped out, hundreds of ribs falling out, and people sweating more blood than people bleed when their heads are cut off. In something like Perfect Dark(best console shooter ever IMO) you don't expect people's arms ripped off or people dieing in a huge blast of, er, body.(this only applies the PD on the N64, I never played PDZ) In something like Zelda, where there is violence, there isn't huge amounts of blood. Zelda's are some of the best rated games in history, especially the N64 classic Ocarina of Time. Even then, there isn't a need for huge violence or gore in games that don't need it e.g. Ren.
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