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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269001 is a reply to message #268997] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 18:04   |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 19:54 |
| mrpirate wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 19:52 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 01:03 |
but I definately KNOW God is real. Why? There are many inexplicable events that happened in my life and I KNOW he helped me.
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No, you don't "know" anything. You believe that because it fits with whatever bullshit your head has been filled with.
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lol.
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OMFG, let the 16 year olds argue all they want!
DIE AND TELL ME ALL ABOUT DEATH. Otherwise, look for the answers in all the other forums.
Quote what you must, scripture or otherwise. It all comes to the same.
Believe what you want.
Topic closed, sounds good. ( where is the giant yawn emoticon?)
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269027 is a reply to message #269006] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 20:10 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 19:12 |
| warranto wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 21:06 |
| mrpirate wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 18:52 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 01:03 |
but I definately KNOW God is real. Why? There are many inexplicable events that happened in my life and I KNOW he helped me.
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No, you don't "know" anything. You believe that because it fits with whatever bullshit your head has been filled with.
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The same could be said about anything we claim we "know", be it religious or not.
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Yes, that's true. However, the word "know" is usually used to mean that you have some factual basis for believing something, versus saying that god is helping you because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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As do most people who claim to "know" God exists. You can't get more factual than personal experience.
Besides, the only reason you believe your parents are who they say they are is because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside 
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269141 is a reply to message #255920] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 09:00 |
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the problem with that theory is that you have to "stick the tail on the donkey" for wherever people feel comfortable removing God from the equation.
Did he put a few chemicals together? perhaps he created a few species and left them to it? did he design man?
I find the theory to be a way of explaining things for people who choose to follow religion but can't see past the sense of science - so they agree a comprimise.
It's a mexican pirate .... F*ck a dog by Blink 182
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269147 is a reply to message #269132] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 09:14 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 09:26 |
But that's the whole point, though, don't you see?
Believing that your personal experience has any relevance in determining truth is ridiculous, because everybody's personal experiences will point their beliefs in different (and often contradictory) directions.
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Personal experience is the only thing that we can rightfully claim as a "fact", unless you want to settle claiming what you don't experience as simply a belief (you are told something or read something and must choose whether or not it is truth). If you experience it personally, it is a fact.
However, even a fact can be misinterpreted or misunderstood. A good example of the is the SCIENTIFIC FACT that heat transfer is done through an invisible liquid called "caloric" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_theory ). This was a SCIENTIFIC FACT that was treated as truth - and even proved as truth in several experiments. Heat transfer can only be experiencd through the "personal experience" mean in order to be proven as a fact, however this did not prevent the interpretation of the fact to be wrong . Something does cause heat transfer (fact proven through personal experience), it is just not an invisible liquid which does this (incorrect interpretation of the personal experience).
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269148 is a reply to message #269147] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 09:21 |
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| warranto wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 12:14 |
Personal experience is the only thing that we can rightfully claim as a "fact", unless you want to settle claiming what you don't experience as simply a belief (you are told something or read something and must choose whether or not it is truth). If you experience it personally, it is a fact.
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Does Carlos Castaneda really turn into a crow?
Misinterpretation, as you mentioned, seems to make your first paragraph irrelevant.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269196 is a reply to message #255920] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 12:33 |
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I think you mean no physical manifestation which has been detectable.
Yes, I'm relating to a TV show and combining it with a completely hypothetical situation, but it gives you an idea what I mean.
In the show Star Trek, there is an episode which has a life-form trapped, and unable to escape. It sends out messages to a telepath on the ship, who can only receive them in a dream form.
There was no way of knowing that these beings were trapped, as all scans of the area showed nothing, however they were still there and only able to communicate through the dreams of one person.
Who is to say that something similar is not at work here? The dream was how God chose to communicate to someone, and the reason there is no physical evidence to support it is only due to the fact that nothing exists that can detect it?
Just a completely "out in left field" hypothetical situation, but not like something like this has not been seen in real life before.
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Thu, 28 June 2007 05:47 |
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| SpyGuy246 wrote on Sat, 23 June 2007 00:14 |
Hitler invaded countries to gain more land for Germany and bring about the dominance of his master race. Something to think about.
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Hehe, and if hitler hadn't invaded europe, Red Alert would have happened, and then in turn, TD, if that happened, I'd be sitting in a tiberium patch right now  . Anyway, I'm athiest and proud of it. I accept reason over faith. If you were in a plane for example, would you trust the makers with simply faith and believe the plane will hold together, or would you rather KNOW that this plane won't shatter apart at the first sign of turbulence? I'd go with know, personally but w/e.
I'm aware that my analogy isn't that good, but please don't flame me about it >_>.
KANE LIVES!!!!!
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #269335 is a reply to message #269027] |
Thu, 28 June 2007 06:13 |
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| warranto wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 22:10 |
| mrpirate wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 19:12 |
| warranto wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 21:06 |
| mrpirate wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 18:52 |
| Sn1per74* wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 01:03 |
but I definately KNOW God is real. Why? There are many inexplicable events that happened in my life and I KNOW he helped me.
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No, you don't "know" anything. You believe that because it fits with whatever bullshit your head has been filled with.
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The same could be said about anything we claim we "know", be it religious or not.
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Yes, that's true. However, the word "know" is usually used to mean that you have some factual basis for believing something, versus saying that god is helping you because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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As do most people who claim to "know" God exists. You can't get more factual than personal experience.
Besides, the only reason you believe your parents are who they say they are is because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside
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I claim to "know" that he is there because of things that happened to me in my life that are almost impossible to be called coincidences (I think I spelled that right  ). I'd post to explain them but you guys would call me a dumb 16 year old and just call me a SUPER lucky guy.
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