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The (pentagon) plane wasn't seen because it was travelling SO fast, that the video didn't catch it. In a documentary of the 911 incident, it shows the airplane crashing into the pentagon (through security cameras), the airplane was only shown in 1 frame, then the explosion.
The twin towers fell from the metal supporters weakening and letting loose of the weight of the full building. The planes were crashed near the top of the buildings, not the bottom. If the top part collapses on the bottom part of the buildings from the beems letting loose, then the rest of the buildings will fall to peices from top to bottom as seen in the video.
I've seem videos of buildings similar to the world trade center being demolished.
It was not only the fire that made the buildings collapse, as people kept forgetting. One friggin airplane crashed into EACH tower! Plus, the weight of the top of the building collapsing on to the rest.
If you ask me, a LOT more evidence points against the theory of the 911 incident bombed with demolition than airplanes, and a LOT more evidence points towards the evidence of the airplanes used in the terrorism attacks.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269032 is a reply to message #268907] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 20:40 |
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I think Blazer has flown in enough planes and been in enough airports to know what a commercial airliner looks like, especially when it passes close enough that had it not been flying at like 400+ mph at the time, he could have told you what the pilot looked like. Of course, you'll have to excuse him that he didn't actually have advance notice of the attack and therefore didn't have his video camera on.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269035 is a reply to message #269032] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 20:48 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 22:40 |
I think Blazer has flown in enough planes and been in enough airports to know what a commercial airliner looks like, especially when it passes close enough that had it not been flying at like 400+ mph at the time, he could have told you what the pilot looked like. Of course, you'll have to excuse him that he didn't actually have advance notice of the attack and therefore didn't have his video camera on.
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He didnt hear the sound of the plane coming? lol.
There is a airport only about 30 miles from me and I have planes flying over all the time for the fly into landing, even when they are super high in the sky, I can hear them storm over and am talking when they really are that high, that you see them as a small shape in the sky.
So, am guessing, if this plane was so low in the sky, you would get up and have a look outside the window to see right?
As you say, it was so close that he could see people, with it be so low, I would had been up and looking well before the plane was passing me, lol.
| AoBfrost wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 20:58 |
OOne thing everyone, why do people base their lives on 911? it happened it's over, no one is still searching about it but nuts who think theres a conspiracy, i'm not saying there isnt, but look 911 is over, and even if you do find the truth it wont bring back 2000 people that died.
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This is HISTORY, there is nothing wrong with researching into passed events, this is how we learn things.
And if the truth did come out, maybe that would put a stop to the next "911"
I dont fully believe one way or the other of the entire event, but I do think, there is more to 911, then we are being told and because of that, its worth finding out what they not telling us.
To believe one story over the other, without any douths, would be very ignorant.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269038 is a reply to message #269026] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 21:07 |
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| BlueThen wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:08 |
The (pentagon) plane wasn't seen because it was travelling SO fast, that the video didn't catch it. In a documentary of the 911 incident, it shows the airplane crashing into the pentagon (through security cameras), the airplane was only shown in 1 frame, then the explosion.
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It doesnt show an airplane, it merily shows "something" crashing
into the pentagon...
If it was clear by that video that a plane did crash at the
pentagon we wouldnt be talking about this now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8
| BlueThen wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:08 |
The planes were crashed near the top of the buildings, not the bottom.
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Why did the lobby look like the plane hit the lobby?
| BlueThen wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:08 |
If the top part collapses on the bottom part of the buildings from the beems letting loose, then the rest of the buildings will fall to peices from top to bottom as seen in the video.
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http://911research.com/talks/wtc/ndocs/tower2_exp1.jpg
http://911research.com/talks/towers/docs/site1106.jpg
Does that look like a pancaking effect to you?
Apart from that, both towers collapsed in under 15 seconds which
is essentially at freefall speed.
The 47 core columns throughout the entire building had to have
give way simultaniously for that to happen. But there was zero
resistance all the way down.
And take a good look at the darker bands when they are collapsing
you can fairly clearly see rows of explosives going off there.
Not to mention the reports of various tv stations, police,
firemen, and other civilians about bombs going off everywhere...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6225595810242416389
The reinforced "darker bands" that divided the building into
three sections would have stopped a genuine collapse and cause
the top section to topple.
http://911research.com/talks/towers/docs/eh_wtc4.jpg
The top section was actually toppling over before it "blew up
in mid-air" (to quote a CNN reporter).
The centerpoint of the pressing weight of the block was not
concentrated in the middle of the building. Yes it could -and
probably would have- caused some floors below to partically
collapse on the side the weigth of the top-section was leaning on.
The top-section however was blown away and well, just look at the
video's, that to me does not look like a pancaking effect.
Especially notice how these beams are thrown horizontal sideways.
Also where the hell did all the concrete go? 110 stories of
concrete is alot of concrete and nearly all of it was turned into
gravel and dust all over NY...
| BlueThen wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:08 |
I've seem videos of buildings similar to the world trade center being demolished.
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Simular to the WTC?
| BlueThen wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:08 |
It was not only the fire that made the buildings collapse, as people kept forgetting.
One friggin airplane crashed into EACH tower! Plus, the weight of the top of the building collapsing on to the rest.
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Yes, the plane caused several columns to fail, however it was
the resulting fires that broke out that sufficiently weakened
the steel further (in just over an hour) to cause both buildings
to collapse to the ground in a simular way.
| BlueThen wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:08 |
If you ask me, a LOT more evidence points against the theory of the 911 incident bombed with demolition than airplanes, and a LOT more evidence points towards the evidence of the airplanes used in the terrorism attacks.
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I havent.
Also, what is up with the explosions and smoke seen at the
base of the towers even before they collapse?
Or the pools of steel/metal that were at the base of all three
buildings that collapsed that day?
Jetfuel does not ever burn hot enough to create such pools of metal..
Explosives and thermite or thermate do.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269064 is a reply to message #268907] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 02:11 |
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The buildings did NOT fall at "freefall speed". Where do you get your data?
How do YOU know that the amount of dust and debris found all over NYC isn't enough for two large buildings, and why would there be less if there was explosives used rather than building collapsing through structural weakness?
Why do you completely ignore several pictures available that show obvious plane debris, including a piece of the fuselage with American Airlines coloring still visible?
Reference: Pic of the debris referenced from a more detailed report proving that it WAS a plane at this link though it is not the most detailed proof I have come across, it is sufficient.
Where are all the people on that flight? If you remember, there were a few moderately-famous people on many of the flights, including the wife of a senator on the one that hit the Pentagon who was scheduled to be on "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher" that night and was flying to LA for her appearance. How did all the local firefighters and police officers not notice someone moving in the 60 dead passengers from that flight, and how did they manage to injure all those people with consistent injuries to a plane crashing into the building?
Also, there was a large exterior generator near the impact site. If it had been a missle that hit the building, it would have been blown AWAY from the building. But instead, it was pushed TOWARDS the building and part of the top sheared off by a plane heading TOWARDS the building. How do the conspiracy theorist whackjobs explain that?
Look, I am fully open minded to the fact that there's probably a fuckload of stuff that we aren't being told about the events up to, on, and after that day, but to tell me that a plane didn't hit the pentagon is just ludicrous, unintelligent, and practically insane.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269083 is a reply to message #268922] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 04:00 |
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There are literally hundreds of things wrong with Loose Change. Factual errors, quotes taken catastrophically out of context, interviews with people who didn't have the authority they said they did, arguments supported by absolutely nothing whatsoever...
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269091 is a reply to message #268907] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 05:26 |
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I fucking hate all of you who still thrive on blaming the US government for orchestrating an attack on its own people on its own soil.
I can't really add to what tzarmind said, so I'll say this: Fuck you. You're all idiots.
Also, why would the government be so sloppy as to use real planes to hit the WTC buildings and then use a missile to hit the Pentagon? If you're claiming our government is smart/powerful enough to orchestrate this whole thing, why would they do that?
whoa.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269093 is a reply to message #269091] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 05:38 |
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Here's what I find hard to accept.
If the US government was capable of orchestrating this, why couldn't/didn't they fake some WMD evidence in Iraq?
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269099 is a reply to message #268929] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 06:05 |
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| Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 16:06 |
A bunch of people in a cave getting amateur pilots armed with box cutters to take over four commercial airliners and fly them into certain targets with a 75% success?
That sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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What really amazes me is that, first, the conspiracy theorists don't believe that scientists and engineers actually put a man on the moon...now they say cavemen can't do what they did in 9/11.
First off...the 9/11 terrorists were not cave dwellers...these fanatics were from the educated elite from their respective countries. All came from wealthy families and had a comfortable life ever since they were born. These terrorists DID NOT fit with the usual steroetypes people generally associate terrorists with.
Calling them "amateur pilots" would be HIGHLY inaccurate...4 of the hijackers (1 in each hijacked aircraft) had commercial pilot licences. Of course, since they had never piloted a real Boeing 757 except in simulators, they showed some unfamiliarity on that morning.
To say that the American government did this to it's own people is the most uneducated thing I ever heard in my life.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269162 is a reply to message #268907] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 10:21 |
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Should have been called "Loose Screws". I love how they present the movie in such a way that they try to manipulate people to believe that if you agree when them, then you are intellectually superior to those who don't believe them, when in fact the opposite is true.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269164 is a reply to message #269157] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 10:24 |
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| ST3ALTH wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 12:11 |
and I completely agree with Loose Change, some people may not, some people may, but it gets you thinking allot.
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Have you clicked the link I posted yet?
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269169 is a reply to message #269038] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 10:38 |
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| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
It doesnt show an airplane, it merily shows "something" crashing
into the pentagon...
If it was clear by that video that a plane did crash at the
pentagon we wouldnt be talking about this now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8
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Try asking anybody that saw it.
| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
Why did the lobby look like the plane hit the lobby?
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The fire spread through many stories of each building. The elevator shafts were also a good deal of where the fire went through.
Although it did pancake, there still going to be dust. Explosion, fire, etc.
| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
Apart from that, both towers collapsed in under 15 seconds which
is essentially at freefall speed.
The 47 core columns throughout the entire building had to have
give way simultaniously for that to happen. But there was zero
resistance all the way down.
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I wouldn't expect much resistance during the fall. Some of the core was left standing during the fall of the building.
The air being pressurized under the fall of the building pushed the smoke out of the windows making 'spurts' or as many of you people mistaken as bombs.
| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
Not to mention the reports of various tv stations, police,
firemen, and other civilians about bombs going off everywhere...
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They didn't say that there WAS planted bombs, they said it was LIKE bombs.
| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
The reinforced "darker bands" that divided the building into
three sections would have stopped a genuine collapse and cause
the top section to topple.
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Don't forget that the fire didn't only cause the building to collapse, there was a plane crashing into it too.
| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
Simular to the WTC?
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Small mistake there. No buildings similar to the WTC has been demolished that I know of. People have compared the WTC with other buildings being caught on fire, and other buildings that have been demolished. But those buildings have NO similarities of the much larger tower of the world trade center.
| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
Also, what is up with the explosions and smoke seen at the
base of the towers even before they collapse?
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The air being pressurized under the fall of the building pushed the smoke out of the windows making 'spurts' or as many of you people mistaken as bombs.
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| zunnie wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 23:07 |
Or the pools of steel/metal that were at the base of all three
buildings that collapsed that day?
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No people mentioned that there were pools of metal or steel except you. I've seen dozens of videos and read dozens of articles, and again, no mentioning of "pools of metal and steel"
If you watch your 9/11 Mysteries, you'll notice MANY errors within it, as pointed out by your "Screw" 9/11 Mysteries.
Basically the "'Screw' 9/11 Mysteries" repeats of what I said, but in more of sense. Watch it and it'll prove your whole statements wrong. 
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269170 is a reply to message #268907] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 10:39 |
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8
I dont see no plane hitting a building here, to be honest, I would expect a 757, whatever it was, to do more damage then that, lol.
To me, looking at it, that looks more like a missile hit.
But, am sure there is more video capture like this, would be nice to see more impact angles, to get a bigger picture before deciding for real, if it was a plane or a missile.
| warranto wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 12:29 |
Of course not! It's a biased source!
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Is there such a thing as an un-biased source?
Me thinks not.
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| Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #269176 is a reply to message #269170] |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 10:39 |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8
I dont see no plane hitting a building here, to be honest, I would expect a 757, whatever it was, to do more damage then that, lol.
To me, looking at it, that looks more like a missile hit.
But, am sure there is more video capture like this, would be nice to see more impact angles, to get a bigger picture before deciding for real, if it was a plane or a missile.
| warranto wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 12:29 |
Of course not! It's a biased source!
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Is there such a thing as an un-biased source?
Me thinks not.
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The problem is, in that video, you are probably imagining that you're looking at a 2-story building. That is a 5 story building! (Or is it 6)... it's a problem on scale. The building is so huge that you can't tell how far away the camera is from the plane.
For reference:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=arlington,+va&i e=UTF8&ll=38.870654,-77.055724&spn=0.014367,0.02002&t=k&z=16& ;om=1
This is the Pentagon from Google Maps. Notice the scale at the bottom of the screen.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mall+of+america+min nesota&ie=UTF8&ll=44.854256,-93.242319&spn=0.013082,0.02002&t=k& amp;z=16&om=1
This is the Mall of America in Minnesota. I believe it's the biggest mall in the US with an indoor amusement park and over 500 stores. The Pentagon is almost as big as this mall!
It's a problem of scale. Since you haven't ever seen the Pentagon up close, in person, your brain has trouble fathoming just how huge this building is, so it's easy for you to think that something rather small and missile-sized struck it rather than a commercial aircraft.
But, I'll keep coming back to this. The plane passed right by Blazer's condo in Arlington, Virginia and he saw it with his own eyes, moments before it struck the building. He SAW the plane. He SAW the logo on it. He could see the people inside it.
I'm the bawss.
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