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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5E8Ze-vGww

Am not gonna comment on this, just want to know, what others think about it.

Topics you should debate about are..

Why did they confiscate the video at the Pentagon but not the ones that recorded the attacks on the WTC for example.

Why does it require a lawsuit to even force them to release a video that does not show much at all.



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I doubt there ever was a plane that crashed into it.

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Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #268918 is a reply to message #268907] Tue, 26 June 2007 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not entering the "debate" as to whether it was a plane or not, but some things wrong with that video.

It does not show the entire building, simply the highest level.

The impact (you can see the dust push along the side of the building before the cloud rises) shows that the impact happened below the camera's field of view (the angle of the "impact dust")

You see this "impact dust" between 00:01 and 00:02 of that video, just before the cloud billows. You can also see the start of the cloud begin below the camera's view.

Aircraft or not, this video proves nothing other than the object approached at a near 0 degree angle to the building.
Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #268920 is a reply to message #268907] Tue, 26 June 2007 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How tall is the Pentagon?
Because jet planes are pretty large you know.
Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #268922 is a reply to message #268907] Tue, 26 June 2007 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The plane (if there was one) would simply skid on the ground and then just totally miss it, the pentagon aint tall at all, the odds of the pentagon. And there wasn't a single mark on the lawn next to it.

Also, 9/11 the WTC attacks, there were missiles on the bottom of the plane..

EDIT:

Everyone should look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE "Loose Change" it is very well informed and it looks on every aspect of the attacks.


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A bunch of people in a cave getting amateur pilots armed with box cutters to take over four commercial airliners and fly them into certain targets with a 75% success?

That sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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This next video gets you thinking alot.

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Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #268939 is a reply to message #268907] Tue, 26 June 2007 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You forget one thing: Blazer saw the plane

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He really did?

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Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #268951 is a reply to message #268939] Tue, 26 June 2007 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 16:44

You forget one thing: Blazer saw the plane

Well there's always the possibility that Blazer is working for the government.

9/11 never happened. There is a secret cloaking device covering the twin towers right now. The towers are actually large missle silos with nukes pointed at the misunderstood peoples of Iran who are doing nothing wrong but trying to develop nuclear technology.

The pentagon was actually damaged because of a secret military weapons research facility that exists right underneath it. A bomb accidentally went off causing the damage that you see on the news, but was blamed on the terrorists so that we could go to war and take control of the world's supply of oil and llamas. It's all a conspiracy from those fat cats in washington who are in kahootz with the large multi-billion dollar corporations exploiting the free (or actually not so free) people of america.

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Re: New Pentagon footage from hotel [message #268953 is a reply to message #268922] Tue, 26 June 2007 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ST3ALTH wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 16:48

The plane (if there was one) would simply skid on the ground and then just totally miss it, the pentagon aint tall at all, the odds of the pentagon. And there wasn't a single mark on the lawn next to it.

Also, 9/11 the WTC attacks, there were missiles on the bottom of the plane..

EDIT:

Everyone should look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE "Loose Change" it is very well informed and it looks on every aspect of the attacks.


ROFL they had a news report about that and found falws in that internet video, pretty funny how it seems so real, but isnt. I think when a plane goes boom, it doesnt leave behind much of it's traces. Not starting a debate or anything.


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ST3ALTH wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 15:48

The plane (if there was one) would simply skid on the ground and then just totally miss it, the pentagon aint tall at all, the odds of the pentagon. And there wasn't a single mark on the lawn next to it.

Also, 9/11 the WTC attacks, there were missiles on the bottom of the plane..

EDIT:

Everyone should look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE "Loose Change" it is very well informed and it looks on every aspect of the attacks.


Hahahahaha, get your head out your ass. You're just saying that without even looking up any of the facts or even understanding what it is your saying. Have you looked up any of the evidence or logs? Nope, didn't think so. So yeah lets just blindly agree with it because it tries to sound reputable etc.

Look at this. Someone who actually looked at every aspect of information possible to debunk it.

http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change

I cannot believe you said that its well informed. It was originally intended to be a fictional short movie. But dressing it up as a non-fiction documentary boosts popularity. Guess we know who IS uninformed though. Dear sweet jesus Sad

Edit1: Also it doesn't matter if Blazer saw a plane either, how can we evaluate he is a credible witness. Just saying as this is a debate zone.

And the rest of you trying to explain it wasn't a plane or was a
plane or whatever that crashed into the pentagon. None of you will have even the slightest idea in aeronautics or the advanced physics at work behind anything like this. So just don't theorize about.

Edit2: Also everyone with the satirical conspiracy theories. You aren't funny or smart.


this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK

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Yes, Blazer saw the plane. No, he doesn't work for the government, then or now.

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Goztow wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 16:44

You forget one thing: Blazer saw the plane


None of us here, know or could understand what he saw, for all we know, he could had saw a small corporate jet or a unmanned aircraft, like a "global hawk" that they are using over in IRAQ and other war zones, maybe he saw one of these instead.

Being able to spot an object and comfirm its identify is a skill that is taught to people in the Armed forces and many factors can confuse your eyes and brain.

I do believe he saw something, but I douth he saw a 767 or a 757 then, many things could had affected his vision then or his memory now.

Eyes are pretty funny things, we do infact see more but the brain only takes a small part of what we see, as useful and turns it into images for us to see.


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What was Blazer doing at the Pentagon on 9/11? Maybe he is a terrorist!

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IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 14:58

Why does it require a lawsuit to even force them to release a video that does not show much at all.


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IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 16:00



None of us here, know or could understand what he saw, for all we know, he could had saw a small corporate jet or a unmanned aircraft, like a "global hawk" that they are using over in IRAQ and other war zones, maybe he saw one of these instead.

Being able to spot an object and comfirm its identify is a skill that is taught to people in the Armed forces and many factors can confuse your eyes and brain.

I do believe he saw something, but I douth he saw a 767 or a 757 then, many things could had affected his vision then or his memory now.


Heh I guess I can't blame you for discounting my "story". Most conspiracy people are the same, you give them an eyewitness, and they say that they were mistaken. You give them 100 witnesses, and they say that the govt paid them. They will cling to their conspiracy no matter what evidence you give them, because its more exciting to think that there is a coverup.

As for seeing a "small corporate jet", that is just ridiculous. True I never served in the military and have no formal training on identifying aircraft, but you have to realize that most people, me included, know the difference between at least private jets, cargo planes, and commercial airliners. This thing roared right by my window, it was close enough that I could see figures through the windows.

ST3ALTH wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 16:31

What was Blazer doing at the Pentagon on 9/11? Maybe he is a terrorist!


My condo was very close to the Pentagon. Also my girlfriend at the time worked at the Pentagon, and it just so happens that she was at my place that morning, and running late to work. Had she been to work on time, she would have been in the exact area that was destroyed, and she would have been killed.

Here are some pictures THAT I TOOK from my apartment building:

http://www.the-ownage.com/gallery/albums/Pentagon/DSC00003.sized.jpg
The trees are barely obscuring a line of sight view, but you can get an idea of how close my place was.

You can check out the rest at http://www.the-ownage.com/gallery/Pentagon

Remember, these are MY pictures that I took. They are not from some random website. I was there. You can check the EXIF data on the pictures for exact timestamps of when they were taken. If you think the pictures are photoshopped I also included a video clip.

P.S. Yes I realize that none of the pictures actually show a plane hitting the Pentagon, so your conspiracy theory is safe for now Razz
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IronWarrior wrote on Tue, 26 June 2007 13:58


Why did they confiscate the video at the Pentagon but not the ones that recorded the attacks on the WTC for example.

Why does it require a lawsuit to even force them to release a video that does not show much at all.




Does anyone wish to comment on these two points?

No one has yet, understandable, you do have to think about it first to give a good reply, but funny no one has yet. Razz

Blazer I like to keep a open mind about everything.

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You are missing one of the core elements:
- Why did they confiscate the video material if
-- 1) it doesnt show anything or much,
-- 2) shows the airliner impact, or
-- 3) it clearly shows something else hitting ...


Why does it take a lawsuit to release a video that is showing not(hing) much, if it would prove all
conspriracies invalid then what is holding them back releasing that material if it exists? And if
it exists, then once again why does it need to be protected or withheld from the public?

Why, on the contrary with the video's of the planes impacting the wtc, did they confiscate the
video's and not release them to the TV stations to air it.
What is different in those video's that require it confiscated if it only shows the airplane impacting,
or like the video that was released - merily due to a lawsuit being won in court- shows only the
resulting impact.

Surely if the video only shows the explosion of whatever hit the pentagon and not the actual plane
then you must conclude there is nothing to hide. So why keep it locked away for a year and only
release it after a lawsuit?


Is this maybe the airplane you saw?:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gGSwve_BU9I
and somehow confused it with the one that supposedly crashed into
the Pentagon.


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OOne thing everyone, why do people base their lives on 911? it happened it's over, no one is still searching about it but nuts who think theres a conspiracy, i'm not saying there isnt, but look 911 is over, and even if you do find the truth it wont bring back 2000 people that died.

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You have obivously not questioned the things that have happened
after and merily because of 9/11...

Furthermore the truth does not need protection


- Also, explain to me:
- Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to go under questioning seperately
and under oath before the 9/11 Comission?

- Why was it not allowed to videotape the questioning or have
a transcript of the hearing?

There are soooooOO many things ........................ its not
even funny anymore lol

And meanwhile everywhere around the world this "War on Terror"
is taking more lives and lives most notably in Iraq and
Afghanistan.

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I... used to be a staunch believer in the whole 9/11 was real thing, but I've seen so many videos and so much evidence (As well as Zeitgeist) that it's just impossible to believe anymore.

Zeitgeist changed my views on life, it's truly saddening.


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You're asking why the government wouldn't release video that (you admit) didn't show anything. This is the same government that built a bridge no one would use in Alaska and created the Federal Interagency Committee for the Management of Noxious and Exotic Weeds. It would be much more worth our attention if they had immediately released the video.

Though I must admit, I certainly am open to a conspiracy theory on the Death Star.


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Cant edit my post anymore.....
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"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."


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