| We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #267897] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 17:50  |
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Spoony
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Crimson and I are forming a team of community members to work out the details for Renegade's public-server ladder.
First and foremost of these will be the ladder point system. It's our goal to create a ladder where skill is accurately reflected, which means addressing questions such as win ratio versus simply playing a high volume of games, and so on.
We plan for the team to consist of seven community members: Crimson, Spoony, two individuals chosen by Crimson, two chosen by Spoony, and one elected from the general community. (The four individuals chosen by Crimson and Spoony have been contacted privately - or will be very shortly)
If you believe you have valuable insights and input to offer to this project to make the ladder a genuinely good system, nominate yourself in this thread (or suggest someone else, but they'll obviously need to acknowledge and agree to the nomination). In a week or two, we will compile a list of candidates and then the community can vote for one of those candidates.
It will probably assist the community in choosing who to vote for if you give examples of experience you might have in related projects.
Thanks,
Spoony and Crimson
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #267900 is a reply to message #267897] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 18:02  |
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Oblivion165
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Sounds excellent, this should boost the online play quality and people might care more about their accounts if they have something to show for it. (IE less cheating)
The first thought I had was a custom beam color, maybe user specified or maybe done by class. I always loved the RamJet with a green beam and I would imagine something like that could be done through RenGuard through a simple menu interface.
EDIT: of course the RamJet is not the only weapon that uses beams so people who don't prefer it wouldn't be limited.
EDIT2: and by class I meant user rank, not the character classes.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #267920 is a reply to message #267897] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 20:27 |
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Oblivion165
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I am very tempted to wave my hands around and say pick me, pick me but I'm not very popular amongst the forum users and you have all but ignored me over the last 3 years.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #267952 is a reply to message #267946] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 23:04 |
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Lots of minor points to look at. Any one who repairs tanks all game is still as valuable to the team and yet receives less points as opposed to repairing a building.
Some snipers, not all, do nothing but snipe tanks, not arty or mrls purely for points and contribute nothing to the team but still get more points towards the ladder.
Who gets the points for disabling beacons? Is it divided amongst the disablers like MP-server did or is the person that gets the last bar as points make prizes.
I understand there may not be an easy way to fully utilise the points system. Therefore some unscrupulous players will play simply for the ladder as opposed to the team. They do not necessarily have to be good to go high on the ladder. It is my belief that the ladder until properly revised, fails miserably.
No! I cannot do a better job before anyone asks.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #267991 is a reply to message #267897] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 01:48 |
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Crimson
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The plan is that I will show the members of the team what information is available, access to the raw data that we've collected in the beta test, and we will debate and argue and carry on about which are the best indicators of skill, how to weigh them, etc... it will be a rough process, I think, and not for the faint of heart. But it is a task that must be done and I believe it is important that there be as close to an unbiased mix of people as we can get so that no one member can manipulate any situation to push their opinion on others.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #267998 is a reply to message #267920] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 02:06 |
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| Oblivion165 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2007 23:27 |
I am very tempted to wave my hands around and say pick me, pick me but I'm not very popular amongst the forum users and you have all but ignored me over the last 3 years.
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Did I miss something? You're on my cool list at least man! =]
Who are these truffle hunting swamp donkeys you speak of?
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268023 is a reply to message #267897] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 03:59 |
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Some snipers, not all, do nothing but snipe tanks, not arty or mrls purely for points and contribute nothing to the team but still get more points towards the ladder.
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We have a fix for that at the BI servers. The point calculation was missing a multiplier for armor which made the scores higher.
I'd like to apply as well, if not chosen by Crimson (hint, hint  ), although the outcome would probably be the same as with EWD because we discuss a lot with each other anyway.
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268035 is a reply to message #267897] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 04:39 |
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Spoony
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what this person would do would be one of a team of seven. The other six would be:
| Spoony wrote on Thu, 21 June 2007 19:50 |
Crimson, Spoony, two individuals chosen by Crimson, two chosen by Spoony
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the team, as a whole, has the task of working out Renegade's public server ladder, balancing its points system etc.
Required skills? The community will decide that when they vote, I guess... suggested qualities:
- good knowledge of the game, both in terms of its mechanics (points system, etc) and its qualities of strategy and teamplay
- objective and unbiased
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268038 is a reply to message #267897] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 04:48 |
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is it possible to record amount repaired and what type of armour is repaired?
Still, unfortunately, there are too many things in ren that make a good team-player that can't be recorded.
Such as defending a beacon, or discovering a stank rush and alerting your team about it...or even buying tanks to get a mass going...still with the mass part, if you can record amount repaired, someone will find a way to exploit it on servers where shells are enabled...
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| Re: We seek a person to assist us with Renegade's ladder [message #268040 is a reply to message #267897] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 04:52 |
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We need someone who has intimate knowledge of the game, from a player's standpoint. We have the technicals covered. I'm hoping that the members of the group have a reasonable grasp on math in order to help work out weight formulas, and opinions about what truly denotes skill in the game and how much.
I'm the bawss.
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