| Re: history lesson [message #267457 is a reply to message #267064] |
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You forget the players that aren't good enough to actually play on a competitive level and therefor use "hidden cheats" as I call them: cheats which allow 'small', hard to detect improovements of "skill". It's quite obvious these are harder to detect and really are to be pitied as they can't even keep up with the public level of skill/gameplay.
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| Re: history lesson [message #267466 is a reply to message #267464] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 00:32 |
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| Blazer wrote on Wed, 20 June 2007 09:21 |
I have a lot more "respect" (maybe understanding is a better word) for those types of cheaters, because at least they are trying to win. The cheaters I truly despise are the ones that only cheat to ruin the game for other people...you know the type - they practically shoot a wad in their underoos everytime they one-shot kill a vehicle and someone says "kick <player> they are cheating!".
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I beg to differ. At least they're easy to spot and delt with by moderators in no time.
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| Re: history lesson [message #267468 is a reply to message #267464] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 01:06 |
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| Blazer wrote on Wed, 20 June 2007 02:21 |
I have a lot more "respect" (maybe understanding is a better word) for those types of cheaters, because at least they are trying to win. The cheaters I truly despise are the ones that only cheat to ruin the game for other people...you know the type - they practically shoot a wad in their underoos everytime they one-shot kill a vehicle and someone says "kick <player> they are cheating!".
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the ones who try to subversively cheat to win are, in my humble opinion, the most pitiful individuals this game has to offer...
if you're so desperate for people to think you're better at the game than you actually are that you'll download a cheat to achieve it, there's something very definitely missing from your life
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| Re: history lesson [message #267517 is a reply to message #267064] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 09:55 |
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the only problem i really have with rg is the fact that i have to start the game 3-4 times to get it to work and not kick me in the first 5 secs into the game... thats why from now on i dont buy anything for the first 20 seconds i am in the game since chances are i will be siconnected. but after im in the server form more than a min im fine till i quit.... thats really why i cant play on n00bstories anymore since i have to connect to it atleast 3 times before rg stops kicking me... and by that time its full and i have to wait.
but other then that i think rg is great, i really do. if this issue gets fixed i have really nothing against it.
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| Re: history lesson [message #267561 is a reply to message #267548] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 14:20 |
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With regards to my sniping, I'm ALWAYS !forcerg'ed but lucky me, knows alot of mods, and they dont ban me.
I take tests here and there, and if I was cheating, RenGuard and Biatch would catch it.
Maybe it's because most of my kills are 1000 Units, since I tend to aim for them more.
Nothing hurts more to a team then to kill early Mobi/Mendoza or any other 1000 Char, especially a Havoc, who you see standing in the middle of the base, typing something, and you head shot him.
Next thing you hear-
Omg! Cheek Haxs Still!!!!
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| Re: history lesson [message #267562 is a reply to message #267561] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 14:22 |
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| Renerage wrote on Wed, 20 June 2007 22:20 |
With regards to my sniping, I'm ALWAYS !forcerg'ed but lucky me, knows alot of mods, and they dont ban me.
I take tests here and there, and if I was cheating, RenGuard and Biatch would catch it.
Maybe it's because most of my kills are 1000 Units, since I tend to aim for them more.
Nothing hurts more to a team then to kill early Mobi/Mendoza or any other 1000 Char, especially a Havoc, who you see standing in the middle of the base, typing something, and you head shot him.
Next thing you hear-
Omg! Cheek Haxs Still!!!!
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Agh!
I hate it when that happens to me.
Standing in the middle of a base with defences...you get sniped...with an expensive char early on its very annoying lol
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| Re: history lesson [message #267571 is a reply to message #267064] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 15:34 |
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1)if you say you can get it "cuz of ur comp", you must be running on 8mb ram, so fuck off anyway.
2)it has SAVED renegade from dying a LONG time ago, the thing if most of the people who complain come from the same generation as the cheaters (not saying everyone is but...), so you have no idea aboutthe whole story
3)crimson should have elaborated more but in a nut shell, the REAL history:
a)people said (inclucding westwood themselves) that cheats for renegade are impossible and dont exsist
b)cyberprick made FR passing it off as a n00bstories product
c)ALOT of people were using it, no server side cheats detection, no renguard, and limited administration from IRC or even ingame because of the limitaions of the new bots at the time (blazeregulater.net etc)
d)the game game this close to dying because basically a server would be cheat free for 30 secs, someone with FR would join, ruin the game, people would leave etc, and you couldnt do anything about it
e)ALOT of people left during that time, the idea of renguard came about (not exactly sure by who) then crimson put together a team to code it, it took a while (9 months i think), but when it came out, everyone who had it ofcourse didnt cheat, 95% of cheaters were done, they saved us from lossing everybody
so basically, no one would be here if it wasnt for renguard, haters dont dserve to be here, go fuck over a different game please. 
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| Re: history lesson [message #267577 is a reply to message #267571] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 16:06 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 20 June 2007 15:34 |
3)crimson should have elaborated more but in a nut shell, the REAL history:
a)people said (inclucding westwood themselves) that cheats for renegade are impossible and dont exsist
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We had over a year without them.
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b)cyberprick made FR passing it off as a n00bstories product
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It was someone else, and they said I made it, not n00bstories, but close enough.
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c)ALOT of people were using it, no server side cheats detection, no renguard, and limited administration from IRC or even ingame because of the limitaions of the new bots at the time (blazeregulater.net etc)
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We did have the Server Owners' forum which was pretty effective.
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d)the game game this close to dying because basically a server would be cheat free for 30 secs, someone with FR would join, ruin the game, people would leave etc, and you couldnt do anything about it
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It was pretty bad but we managed ok.
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e)ALOT of people left during that time, the idea of renguard came about (not exactly sure by who) then crimson put together a team to code it, it took a while (9 months i think), but when it came out, everyone who had it ofcourse didnt cheat, 95% of cheaters were done, they saved us from lossing everybody
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I didn't put together the team... I was invited to join it. I was the speaker/PR person because I ran these forums.
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so basically, no one would be here if it wasnt for renguard, haters dont dserve to be here, go fuck over a different game please.
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I know we have helped a lot, and I do believe that we did manage to keep a significant amount of players here, but there is a LOT to be said about the dedication and cooperation between the server owners of the community, along with other talented coders who make it possible to still enjoy this game after more than 5 years.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: history lesson [message #267694 is a reply to message #267064] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 03:48 |
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how did people figure out putting an objects file.ddb in data folder gives u hacks? did they just test it one day and started a whole new bred?
also rg should be built into ren so everyone has to use it without crashing ;P
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| Re: history lesson [message #267719 is a reply to message #267242] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 07:18 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 19 June 2007 06:21 |
people who say BIATCH is all you need are wrong
people who say renguard is all you need are wrong
people who say good moderators are all you need are wrong
none of the above are infallible, all of the above can do stuff others can't, so the solution is obvious: use all three.
or if you can genuinely make something better, quit telling everyone you can, step up and fucking DO IT.
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| Re: history lesson [message #267738 is a reply to message #267064] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 08:21 |
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RR also gives some nice things to servers and clients too.
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| Re: history lesson [message #267763 is a reply to message #267724] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 10:28 |
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| Jonty wrote on Thu, 21 June 2007 16:32 |
Wow, practically nobody knows that RR blocks bighead cheats, terminal hacks, damagehacks and netcode exploits. Together with BIATCH, I see no need for anything else. 
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BIATCH does all that too, still there is need for more protection. BIATCH doesn't block anything, and RR doesn't block the rest either.
| Jonty wrote on Thu, 21 June 2007 16:32 |
(I only just noticed this topic, but the first thing I saw when reading was people pro-RG ignoring posts where they got owned)
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If you're ignoring the pro-RG people's posts, yes. Otherwise you would see it was the other way around. Selective reading ftw.
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