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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264232 is a reply to message #264145] |
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If you wanted to starve the other team of credits on City or City_Flying, why would you buy an Orca in the first place? 2 MRLS/Artilleries on a bridge rush + infantry chasing the enemy Harvester poses a much greater threat to the enemy's economy than 1 flying unit ever would in that if the enemy tries to save their Refinery, their Harvester dies and if the enemy tries to save their Harvester, they risk losing their Refinery. Add that to potential threats to the War Factory, Airstrip, or Powerplant, and you can see where (to a public-server team, a CW would be a different story) I am coming from.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264233 is a reply to message #264230] |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 08 June 2007 12:00 |
I fail to see how one skilled orca could have that much effect
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Here's the point: when the enemy has an orca and all you have is basic infantry: you can't kill the harvester, you can't save your own, you can't get boxes, you can't grenade buildings, you can't buggy/APC rush... you pretty much can't do anything except wait until you have an apache and/or ramjets.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264314 is a reply to message #264145] |
Fri, 08 June 2007 12:39 |
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Some servers run a slow-start where everyone has to minigunner-rush for the harvesters at the start of the map. On n00bstories, I have found overall it's more enjoyable to the majority of people to give them 350 credits each and donate capabilities which lets everyone get into the action right away. This thread which was started on the n00bstories forum at the same time has gone in that direction.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264317 is a reply to message #264145] |
Fri, 08 June 2007 12:46 |
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This probably has been covered, and it if has, it's still worth mentioning again...
Both teams start out with the same amount of resources, do they not? If Renegade is a game of teamwork, why is donating such a bad thing? In fact, I think it should be encouraged, since it shows a great deal of trust in your teammates. Plus, this adds a whole new tactic to the game.
In real life when you're on a team, you combine thoughts and ideas to move forward, do you not? You don't say, "use your ideas, and I'll use mine, and we'll see what we both can come up with while working as a team, but working separately."
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264497 is a reply to message #264254] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 01:18 |
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| StealthEye wrote on Fri, 08 June 2007 12:53 |
as well, so is it strange or unbalanced that something far more expensive is better than something free? I can't imagine that you think that's true.
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You're completely missing the point.
The point is, the money didn't come about legitimately. It wasn't earned in the way the game was designed for you to earn it, it was simply given to you by your teammates.
| StealthEye wrote on Fri, 08 June 2007 12:53 |
An orca is not uncounterable. Say that the other team buys officers for in total 900 credits, don't you think all those would simply take out the orca? Even with 14 other characters, use cover and take out the orca first, then the officers+soldiers can kill the other infantry as well.
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If 15 soldiers win against 14 soldiers and an orca, I can only assume well over half of the team containing the orca are having catastrophic PC issues at the time.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264555 is a reply to message #264145] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 05:13 |
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Hmm that might be true based on warheads, you would still have an advantage to kill the infantry though. for 900, you could get 2 patches/LCG's as well, those 2 + 13 soldiers would definitely take out the orca and probably 14 soldiers. You would have more credits and probably better infantry after this as well.
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You're completely missing the point.
The point is, the money didn't come about legitimately.
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YOU are missing the point. Because the money DID come out legitimately. Donating is perfectly legal if it's enabled, and you are stupid for not using it if you don't.
If you don't like vehicles, and you don't use them. Is it unfair that the other team does use them? Ofcourse it isn't! If you don't use donate and the other team does, is that unfair? Neither!
Gozy has a valid point saying it takes away the first part of the game, a bit more than starting credits do, I agree there. However in public games I think the start is not that interesting usually, so that's why I said (in my initial post) that donating should be allowed too. For clan games it is different, and I agree with Gozy there.
About the flaming apc: it is balanced in that way. However it unbalances the health and damage other vehicles do. In that way it's just a superunit which is also cheap, which makes it unbalanced.
Consider something that you buy and will instantly win the game for you (not a flaming apc obviously). Both teams can do it. Would this be balanced? Team wise: yes. But it makes the other part of the game useless. That would be the problem with it, not the fact that both teams can do it.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264583 is a reply to message #264145] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 08:20 |
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and consider something which costs 500 can destroy something cost 1500 (mammy) in less than 5 secs if the apc does it right...that gives the mammy NO time to react or to even destroy it! NOTHING can destroy a flaming apc in 5 secs cept what 10 gunners/tanks?
and u can donate 2 ppl via console...type Do and it come up donate person amount...
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264589 is a reply to message #264145] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 08:52 |
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Not that I have the time to worry about it..
But I don't like the donate option. I prefer an old typ AOW without all the stuff that changes the game. I'm glad your allowed to choose which ever server you decide to play on. To bad the server(s) that were/was decent have changed or have died.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264591 is a reply to message #264314] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 09:18 |
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| Crimson wrote on Fri, 08 June 2007 14:39 |
I have found overall it's more enjoyable to the majority of people to give them 350 credits each and donate capabilities which lets everyone get into the action right away.
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Personally, I believe 350 is TOO high. Instant hotty/tech and very few players want to leave the buildings to assist in support for the vehicles. All that in the name of a rec.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264599 is a reply to message #264233] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 09:46 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2007 13:07 |
| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 08 June 2007 12:00 |
I fail to see how one skilled orca could have that much effect
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Here's the point: when the enemy has an orca and all you have is basic infantry: you can't kill the harvester, you can't save your own, you can't get boxes, you can't grenade buildings, you can't buggy/APC rush... you pretty much can't do anything except wait until you have an apache and/or ramjets.
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Wow, thats a completey situational scenario there.
And, Even a good Orca/Apache, I always would buy a 500 sniper, because theres usually someone else who does too.
2 500 snipers, decent ability-
1 Skilled Orca/Apache.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264609 is a reply to message #264607] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 10:38 |
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| Ralphzehunter wrote on Sat, 09 June 2007 12:22 |
If you guys think that 2 500s or patches can take down a skilled orca, I guess you're playing a different game than me.
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264625 is a reply to message #264145] |
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so 2 semi skilled sniper cant his a pretty decent sized orca?
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| Re: An opinion piece - Donating [message #264635 is a reply to message #264630] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 13:11 |
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| warranto wrote on Sat, 09 June 2007 14:16 |
I cause aircraft to retreat all the time as a 500 credit sniper, regardless of who the pilot is. The good pilots are usually the ones to get close to me, or survive to retreat.
I've been killed by an aircraft that I have been trying to destroy (as a sniper), perhaps twice. Once was when I made the stupid mistake of switching to third person from first person in the middle of reloading (you end up reloading twice before you can fire), and the other was me simply not paying enough attention and trapping myself against a ledge.
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