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| tzarmind wrote on Thu, 17 May 2007 21:13 |
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dude he went to iraq for oil and to keep bush's dick in his mouth...
he isnt a great prime minister eh is just a pussy
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The Iraq war was necessary even if it was for oil. Saddam was a paranoid and viscious dictator who murdered millions of his own people.
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I'm surprised to see so many Americans hate this guy. Whether or not you know, Saddam Hussein fought and killed terrorists during his rule. Many people from groups which include Al Qa'idah were killed in his ruling. He fought fundemantalism within his country and fought Iran, which looks like an enemy in the eyes of the U.S. He actually did you guys a lot of favours.
Sure he was a really bad guy, but the war was an unfortunate mistake. No WMD's, thousands of U.S casualties, over 600,000 Iraqi casualties, and hundreds of billions of dollars lost. Iraq is now a den for your enemies, America. And now, many in Europe, Asia, and even the states, look down upon the administration for its actions.
Funny how you guys go for Saddam and Iran, when the leader of North Korea has nuclear weapons with the ability to reach California. He also idolizes Adolf Hitler and has his own personal Hitler Museum. And yet you guys fear Iran more.
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261843 is a reply to message #261826] |
Tue, 29 May 2007 19:10 |
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Fobby wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 18:10]| tzarmind wrote on Thu, 17 May 2007 21:13 |
| FrAM wrote on Thu, 17 May 2007 18:57 |
dude he went to iraq for oil and to keep bush's dick in his mouth...
he isnt a great prime minister eh is just a pussy
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The Iraq war was necessary even if it was for oil. Saddam was a paranoid and viscious dictator who murdered millions of his own people.
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I'm surprised to see so many Americans hate this guy. Whether or not you know, Saddam Hussein fought and killed terrorists during his rule. Many people from groups which include Al Qa'idah were killed in his ruling. He fought fundemantalism within his country and fought Iran, which looks like an enemy in the eyes of the U.S. He actually did you guys a lot of favours.
Sure he was a really bad guy, but the war was an unfortunate mistake. No WMD's, thousands of U.S casualties, over 600,000 Iraqi casualties, and hundreds of billions of dollars lost. Iraq is now a den for your enemies, America. And now, many in Europe, Asia, and even the states, look down upon the administration for its actions.
Funny how you guys go for Saddam and Iran, when the leader of North Korea has nuclear weapons with the ability to reach California. He also idolizes Adolf Hitler and has his own personal Hitler Museum. And yet you guys fear Iran more.
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I honestly don't believe North Korea has nukes. The evidence to support him having nukes showed that if he did have them, they were so weak they wouldn't have been much use anyway. A lot of theorizing that it might actually have been dynamite.
But don't try to justify what Saddam did, he needed taken out. And for someone that tried to stamp out extremism declaring a jihad against the US sure doesn't contradict what you just said. Right?
| fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 18 May 2007 12:29 |
Hell, our oil prices in the U.S. are going up real high again, not down.
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I didn't see that, so I'm only replying now. What the fuck? What does it matter that oil prices are going up? Why would that make the Iraq war any less likely to be for oil? Oil companies think in decades not a quickfix for three years. Jesus it's so retarded when people say that "DUHHHRR OIL PRICES GOING UP SO WAR CANT BE FOR OIL". Assuming the oil was intended for America anyway, the US could have struck a deal with some other country in the background?
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261845 is a reply to message #259200] |
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But don't try to justify what Saddam did, he needed taken out. And for someone that tried to stamp out extremism declaring a jihad against the US sure doesn't contradict what you just said. Right?
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Saddam Hussein's government had a leftist attitude, and most of them considered themselves as atheists, not Muslims. I'm not justifying Saddam's actions: He's a criminal. As for his "jihad", I'll give you a chance to guess what that even means. Let me give you a hint, despite what the media bombards you with, it does not mean "holy war".
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I honestly don't believe North Korea has nukes. The evidence to support him having nukes showed that if he did have them, they were so weak they wouldn't have been much use anyway. A lot of theorizing that it might actually have been dynamite.
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Radiation was detected in the air by the U.S airforce after the explosion. That's enough proof for me. And it doesn't matter whether or not they're weak, they are able to hit California. The North Korean dictator is a Nazi-supporting psychopath and the U.S does nothing about him.
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 22:18]| Quote: |
But don't try to justify what Saddam did, he needed taken out. And for someone that tried to stamp out extremism declaring a jihad against the US sure doesn't contradict what you just said. Right?
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Saddam Hussein's government had a leftist attitude, and most of them considered themselves as atheists, not Muslims. I'm not justifying Saddam's actions: He's a criminal. As for his "jihad", I'll give you a chance to guess what that even means. Let me give you a hint, despite what the media bombards you with, it does not mean "holy war".
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So you're saying Saddam didn't want a Holy War, but to live a moral and virtuous life? Uh huh... tell that to those he tortured.
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261847 is a reply to message #261845] |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 21:18]| Quote: |
But don't try to justify what Saddam did, he needed taken out. And for someone that tried to stamp out extremism declaring a jihad against the US sure doesn't contradict what you just said. Right?
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Saddam Hussein's government had a leftist attitude, and most of them considered themselves as atheists, not Muslims. I'm not justifying Saddam's actions: He's a criminal. As for his "jihad", I'll give you a chance to guess what that even means. Let me give you a hint, despite what the media bombards you with, it does not mean "holy war".
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And hah? Athiests? Where are you getting that from?
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261849 is a reply to message #261845] |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007"]
Radiation was detected in the air by the U.S airforce after the explosion. That's enough proof for me. And it doesn't matter whether or not they're weak, they are able to hit California. The North Korean dictator is a Nazi-supporting psychopath and the U.S does nothing about him.
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Radiation could have been released into the atmosphere with the intent of fooling probes. I seriously doubt he has nukes.
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261851 is a reply to message #259200] |
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Suit yourself good sir, but the fact that he is a Nazi loving freak is undeniable. He has a personal museum dedicated to Hitler, what does that tell you? The man doesn't care about the health of his own citizens, instead he spends the country's wealth on improving the army. Isn't he a bigger threat than this stupid Saddam guy?
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261853 is a reply to message #261850] |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 22:27 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 22:24]J-Ball... are you even reading my posts? Im saying he IS a criminal, but wasn't worth this useless war.
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No, you asked tzarmind if he even knew what jihad was, and I figured you were implying that Saddam's jihad wasn't the holy war everybody believes it to be. I, then, responded with questioning whether you really think that his "jihad" was to live a moral life (and 'defending' Islam). That is pretty much what you were implying jihad means, right?
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Wrong. The Islamic definition of "Jihad" is the struggle to do the right thing. It's not even an Islamic word - I know an Arab Orthodox guy with the name "Jihad". I'm pretty sure an orthodox wouldn't name his son Holy War, if that's what it really meant.
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261854 is a reply to message #261853] |
Tue, 29 May 2007 19:36 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 22:31]| j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 22:27 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 22:24]J-Ball... are you even reading my posts? Im saying he IS a criminal, but wasn't worth this useless war.
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No, you asked tzarmind if he even knew what jihad was, and I figured you were implying that Saddam's jihad wasn't the holy war everybody believes it to be. I, then, responded with questioning whether you really think that his "jihad" was to live a moral life (and 'defending' Islam). That is pretty much what you were implying jihad means, right?
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Wrong. The Islamic definition of "Jihad" is the struggle to do the right thing. It's not even an Islamic word - I know an Arab Orthodox guy with the name "Jihad". I'm pretty sure an orthodox wouldn't name his son Holy War, if that's what it really meant.
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Didn't I just say that? How is living a moral life different from struggling to do the right thing?
Back to my question then, do you really think Saddam planned to have a jihad against the Western World by torturing and killing people? I just don't see torture and moral being related.
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I'm just trying to say that he didn't have a jihad against the west. He was killing and torturing his own people, as well as killing terrorists and Iranians.
In my eyes, terrorists were a bigger threat to the U.S than Saddam's army. All I'm trying to say is, he killed Al Qa'idah members as well as any other religious uprisers in his country, therefore killed the enemies of the U.S
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261858 is a reply to message #259200] |
Tue, 29 May 2007 20:00 |
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No doubt Kim Jong Il is a problem-child, but considering the U.S.'s military might, I think we're playing our cards juuuuust right (if you catch my drift. If not, there is a time and place for every action, and its not N.Koreas time yet).
Hitler also was an environmentalist, but you don't see many people praising him. Sadaam was a terrible tyrant gone out of control and it was our responsibility to clean up and Iraq up (along with the chemical weapons) because we're the ones who essentially built the middle east.
People seem to be pretty ignorant to the fact that many of these issues stem back to the 70's and 80's and that there is so much more to the picture than "omg Bush is evil he just wants oil". It's honestly not an issue that 90% of the general public has any intelligent grounds to speak on. Unfortunately, it affects the world in so many ways and we're left to pick pieces of information out of the media who taints reality.
The war was justified. Get over it. As for Blair (on topic), he wasn't a bad guy in regards to his position on the war; domestically I have absolutely no idea.
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261886 is a reply to message #261869] |
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I see it has gone back to America, Saddam and a Holy war!!
So much for Tony Blair stepping down and the UK.
How do you guys manage to spam a topic so much, twist it and then rewrite the topic to make it "The War In Iraq"?
Go and open yet another "Iraq" topic and stop hi-jacking.
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| Re: tony blair steps down [message #261979 is a reply to message #259200] |
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I'm not going to apologize for defending my country, if that's what you're asking. People bring their comments towards my country, president and "our war" so I felt necessary to defend it. I keep trying to keep it as on topic as possible, though. I just can't escape hearing all the anti-war bullshit that goes around.
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